KVR Audio

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:09 pm

wagtunes wrote:
UncleAge wrote:I'm not a designer and I'm pretty sure there have been enough opinions shared about the gui and possible improvements to it. Yet I'd like to throw one more log on the fire. I don't think its just an issue of colors or fonts and what-not. I also think its an issue of directing the focus to what makes the workflow, thus the plugin, unique. IOW, it's not selling the sizzle.

IMHO, any improvements need to also include a re-imagining of that workspace. What's there now is a great first effort. But it sells the synth short. Highlight the unique filters, lfo step sequencer and matrix. Sell the sizzle.
I can't argue with any of this. Of course I just totally dislike the GUI altogether so any improvement will be an improvement.

+1 Agree!

Unfortunately the dev seems to be stuck on this style and design because, from what I can tell, it's his own work and the 'company look'.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:26 pm

the GUI as it is, isn't a showstopper or dealbreaker ... not liking it, or having ideas of how the layout could be improved etc is one thing, and all well & good .... but people saying they'd buy it if it weren't for the GUI shouldn't be taken too seriously as far as I'm concerned - other than size issue where it may be too big or too small on certain setups. not sure if that's the case for anyone or not though, i've mostly just seen belly aching.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:30 pm

Daags wrote:the GUI as it is, isn't a showstopper or dealbreaker ... not liking it, or having ideas of how the layout could be improved etc is one thing, and all well & good .... but people saying they'd buy it if it weren't for the GUI shouldn't be taken too seriously as far as I'm concerned.

there are enough options out there, that...there's no harm if someone wants a synth plugin they enjoy looking at. i usually feel that way. but this one...the sound is distinct enough, and deep enough, that i bought it, and am enjoying using it. if i can survive izotope's DDLY, anything is possible.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:52 pm

Daags wrote:the GUI as it is, isn't a showstopper or dealbreaker ... not liking it, or having ideas of how the layout could be improved etc is one thing, and all well & good .... but people saying they'd buy it if it weren't for the GUI shouldn't be taken too seriously as far as I'm concerned

I'd say the same... There's only a few who say they won't actually buy it, so no real loss to the dev. And there's no way of knowing if the GUI is really affecting the sales anyway.

The people who speculate that it does have no proof so it's kinda' irrelevant.

As long as the synth has good sound (which it does) and is easy to use (which it is) then the GUI is just a 'nice to have'.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:54 pm

The GUI is usable enough for me... but I have enough plugins as is, so it has to be GREAT in all aspects for me to consider buying another one.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:57 pm

T-CM11 wrote:The GUI is usable enough for me... but I have enough plugins as is, so it has to be GREAT in all aspects for me to consider buying another one.

So, I'll guess you will be passing on this then?

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:59 pm

fisherKing wrote:
Daags wrote:the GUI as it is, isn't a showstopper or dealbreaker ... not liking it, or having ideas of how the layout could be improved etc is one thing, and all well & good .... but people saying they'd buy it if it weren't for the GUI shouldn't be taken too seriously as far as I'm concerned.
there are enough options out there, that...there's no harm if someone wants a synth plugin they enjoy looking at. i usually feel that way. but this one...the sound is distinct enough, and deep enough, that i bought it, and am enjoying using it. if i can survive izotope's DDLY, anything is possible.

there are many great sounding VSTi's now... to the point where sonic wise i could take one or the other. so it almost comes down to the GUI look and layout that decides how often i use it.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:01 pm

I used to like the big knobs.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:03 pm

Robmobius wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:The GUI is usable enough for me... but I have enough plugins as is, so it has to be GREAT in all aspects for me to consider buying another one.
So, I'll guess you will be passing on this then?

For now... but I'm keeping an eye on it.

(And while I'm doing that I'm saving up for a Pro12, so there's a few years time to improve that GUI

)

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:08 pm

Daags wrote:the GUI as it is, isn't a showstopper or dealbreaker ... not liking it, or having ideas of how the layout could be improved etc is one thing, and all well & good .... but people saying they'd buy it if it weren't for the GUI shouldn't be taken too seriously as far as I'm concerned - other than size issue where it may be too big or too small on certain setups. not sure if that's the case for anyone or not though, i've mostly just seen belly aching.

And i can't take this post serious, sorry

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:18 pm

Seem to be there are people here who think a GUI is just eye candy.

News flash. It is NOT.

A GUI has to be easy on the eyes. It has to be easy to navigate around. And it has to be large enough in each area to be able to work with.

ArcSyn fails in ALL THREE AREAS.

1) It's ugly as sin. The yellow and gray hurts my eyes.

2) It seems like stuff is just all over the place. It is not intuitively put together. In short, I have to hunt for things.

3) The matrix is TOO DAMN SMALL.

Put all of this together and it is a synth that I just don't want to use. And this is a synth that I put up there with my top 5 "unique sounding synths" that I own that, in spite of that, I will not buy.

So tell me again how the GUI isn't affecting sales. Truth is, you guys don't know that it isn't anymore than I know that it is. But I do know at least 2 or 3 people in this very thread that didn't buy it SPECIFICALLY because of the GUI.

And as somebody else said, with so many great synths out there that also look fantastic and not like they were put together in abstract art class, why should I spend a hundred bucks on something that I simply do not enjoy looking at and working with.

Minimize the importance of a GUI all you want. But it's the first thing I evaluate when I even consider buying a synth.

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:21 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
Robmobius wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:The GUI is usable enough for me... but I have enough plugins as is, so it has to be GREAT in all aspects for me to consider buying another one.
So, I'll guess you will be passing on this then?
For now... but I'm keeping an eye on it.
(And while I'm doing that I'm saving up for a Pro12, so there's a few years time to improve that GUI )

Yeah, that's fair enough then...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:23 pm

T-CM11 wrote:The GUI is usable enough for me... but I have enough plugins as is, so it has to be GREAT in all aspects for me to consider buying another one.

The GUI colors are too hard on my eyes... I don't need any new synths, so I'm not likely to buy anyway, but if I were looking to purchase, the way it looks right now would almost certainly deter me. I don't care the 'style' of a GUI... but it has to be clear and easy on the eyes.

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:26 pm

If people think looks don't matter then that will certainly expand their dating options

Seriously though it's really more about design affecting workflow as per the excellent post earlier.

And if nothing else the issue is certainly distracting from what could be a conversation about sound design.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:27 pm

We need Tinder for plugins.

SPC ArcSyn