Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer

[Ingonator]

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[Lejurai]

As with the last synths i got a free NFR copy i also do not remember how this worked with e.g. Nemesis and Rayblaster.

Well good for you but I have hard time believing that I'd get one

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[Frantz]

Using the term "Z-Plane" does not seem to be a problem (at least related to E-Mu)

You can trademark all kinds of common terms. For example, Taylor Swift trademarked "This Sick Beat": http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... s-20150128

I think the E-mu trademark on "Z-Plane" for synths would hold up in court but I doubt Dave Rossum would spend time pursuing this since he doesn't have teams of lawyers like Taylor Swift.

Last but not least while the Morpheus filters offered some crazy morphing stuff the overall sound quality did not seem to be as good as the filters in Icarus

The Emu Command Station Z-Plane filters were quite digital and grungy. They couldn't compete with modern DSP that you find in Tone2 and other synths. It will be interesting to see if Dave Rossum upgrades the sound quality in his new Eurorack modules.

[chk071]

You can trademark all kinds of common terms.

In america maybe. You couldn't do that Taylor Swift stuff here.

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[fmr]

I just checked the manuals of the E-Mu Morpheus, Proreus 2000 and also Xtreme Lead-1 concerning the fiter modes, also as i have seen a very cheap Proteus 2000 at EBay now.

The Morpheus filters do do not sem to be comaprable wit hany of teh other E-Mu modules except the UltraProteus. The Morpheus seems to include 197 filter modes where most allow morphing.

The Proteus 2000 and most other modules (which mostly seem to just incude a different ROM) seem to include around 50 filter modes with Z-Plane filters (up to 12th order) but while there are a bunch of complex and interesting modes those do not seem to include the morphing options of the Morpheus.

I don't remember anyone having mentioned the Proteus or any of the spinoffs as something related with Z-Plane or having Z-Plane filters. These filters were implemented first in in Morpheus, and later in Ultra-Proteus AND the E4 line of E-Mu samplers, as well as in the Emulator X and Proteus VX, which are software instruments launched under the Creative E-Mu brand. Proteus VX has NOTHING to do with any of the hardware Proteus line, but is rather a sample-playback version of the Emulator-X, of which the latest incarnation the Emulator X3, is still available for purchasing and is 64-bit (Windows only).

Common or not, the designation is patented, and personally, if I see something called as Z-Plane filter, I would expect THE Z-Plane filter. If Markus doesn't want to go into trouble and clarify what they really are, he probably should call them simply "morphing filters" (which is what they seem to be, after all).

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[chk071]

Common or not, the designation is patented, and personally, if I see something called as Z-Plane filter, I would expect THE Z-Plane filter. If Markus doesn't want to go into trouble and clarify what they really are, he probably should call them simply "morphing filters" (which is what they seem to be, after all).

The point is that you do not see that the way how the term "z-plane" is used oncedrning the Icarus filters is in no way related to the way this is used in the E-Mu filters. You could also check my last pst above and the quote from Markus some post above.

Anyway i do not know how often i alraedy mentioned that this term is NOT used in the synth itself or the manual yet and that it is even possible that Tone2 will no longer using it in the future (as i alraey posted above).

Best thing to do i guess.

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[chk071]

^^ Again someone who does not get the point of what all this is really about which i tried to explain in multiple ways at this page. I also have the feeling that some guys here do not really read my posts properly and/or are just quoting certain parts of my posts on purpose while ignoring other parts.

How? I quoted your whole post. Maybe you didn't quite understand what i was saying? I wrote that i find it's a good idea from Tone2 not to use the term in neither the synth itself, nor the manual. At least a better idea than using the term, and risking a copyright law suit. Right?

[ariston]

Hey, we're just trying to keep them from making a big mistake... seein' as how they're all new to this "pluggin" business, after all....

And besides, z-plane is actually patented by these dudes here: http://www.stingrayboats.com/technology/zp_hull.php .

Here's what the press had to say:

BOATING MAGAZINE
"I feared a 3.0-liter would be too wimpy to effectively power a 19-foot boat, but again Stingray defied conventional wisdom. Give credit to the brand's trademark Z-plane hull. The design replaces conventional strakes with shingle-like panels that act as horizontal planing surfaces when powering out of the hole, and spray releases at speed. Stingray claims the smoother flow of water they produce gives the prop better bite, resulting in faster speeds and smoother handling. I just know it works. my test boat jumped onto plane in 3.5 seconds and peaked at 42.5 mph, all while displaying Stingray's trademark aggressive-yet-predictable handling."

Wonder if Tone 2 can compete with this.








Excuse the sidetracking, but it's not any worse than what has come before.

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