What would be great...
Tracking CLAP hosts and plugins
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- KVRAF
- 3262 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
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- KVRAF
- 3262 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
I hope more synths would implement voice stacking and advanced clap features like that....Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:54 am CLAP is taking the world by storm. (Compared to VST3…; - )
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- KVRAF
- 4560 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
Image-Line FLStudio, FL Studio 21.3 Beta 1 [8 March 2024]
https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p1933691
https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p1933691
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"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1890 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
Well, this is the big one we have been waiting for. It didn't matter which "big one" it was. Only that any massively popular DAW be the "big one."
Things should heat up big time now.
CLAP Software Database: https://clapdb.tech. KVR Discussion Topic.
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- KVRian
- 1041 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny
CLAP is not in this beta, they said its coming next beta in a week or so....It seems they are just prepping FL for the update, thats why you see CLAP as a format
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- KVRist
- 475 posts since 30 May, 2019
Yeah, I've been gently bugging reminding Image-Line on their forum, to add CLAP with each new update of FL Studio, since they initially stated that they would (eventually), a year or-so ago.xbitz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:34 pm Image-Line FLStudio, FL Studio 21.3 Beta 1 [8 March 2024]
https://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p1933691
Glad that we'll finally be getting CLAP support for v21.3. Look forward to this being added within their next public beta release.
Hopefully, this will also act as a catalyst for some of the other major DAW developers, like Ableton, etc., to likewise follow suit and grow industry-wide support for the CLAP format.
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- KVRist
- 175 posts since 10 Mar, 2004 from Helsinki, Finland
Just a quick heads up, JC303 is listed as not being free, when in fact it is :)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1890 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1890 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
Here is why we MUST have CLAP. The very thing that everyone feared has happened.
Steinberg, in the agreement for VST 3.7.10 has exercised their right to revoke access to the VST2 SDK, which means that very soon every developer who builds their plugin frameworks and CI pipelines around VST2 are now SOL. They will no longer be able to use it, and they either have to re-engineer everything from scratch around VST3, or invent their own plugin-neutral platforms, or rewrite to use some other intermediate platform such as JUCE, or do the smart thing and develop to CLAP, and wrap as VST3, AAX, and AU. JUCE itself must drop VST2 support, and no one with older versions of JUCE can produce VST2 plugins for sale with it.
https://github.com/steinbergmedia/vst3s ... eement.pdf
The key provisions are 1.6:
9.4:
and 9.8:
Note that 9.4 was in previous VST3 agreements. So in effect, this means that once that written notice goes out and 6 months have passed, the next release of every host and every plugin, and all new hosts and plugins hereafter, which support VST3, must drop support for VST2.
The only ones who are safe are those who previously signed the VST2 agreement, never signed the VST3 agreements, and therefore only support VST2.
The only question is: When will the written notice in 9.4 go out? This agreement was published this January. When it does go out, the clock starts ticking.
Steinberg, in the agreement for VST 3.7.10 has exercised their right to revoke access to the VST2 SDK, which means that very soon every developer who builds their plugin frameworks and CI pipelines around VST2 are now SOL. They will no longer be able to use it, and they either have to re-engineer everything from scratch around VST3, or invent their own plugin-neutral platforms, or rewrite to use some other intermediate platform such as JUCE, or do the smart thing and develop to CLAP, and wrap as VST3, AAX, and AU. JUCE itself must drop VST2 support, and no one with older versions of JUCE can produce VST2 plugins for sale with it.
https://github.com/steinbergmedia/vst3s ... eement.pdf
The key provisions are 1.6:
9.4:
and 9.8:
Note that 9.4 was in previous VST3 agreements. So in effect, this means that once that written notice goes out and 6 months have passed, the next release of every host and every plugin, and all new hosts and plugins hereafter, which support VST3, must drop support for VST2.
The only ones who are safe are those who previously signed the VST2 agreement, never signed the VST3 agreements, and therefore only support VST2.
The only question is: When will the written notice in 9.4 go out? This agreement was published this January. When it does go out, the clock starts ticking.
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CLAP Software Database: https://clapdb.tech. KVR Discussion Topic.
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- KVRist
- 481 posts since 22 Jun, 2019
Jesus, what a waste...
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- KVRAF
- 4560 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
Have we arrived in a parallel universe already?
FL Studio 21.3 Beta 2 [15 March 2024]
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"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRian
- 521 posts since 15 Jun, 2018
Big news from FL! Ableton will very likely be one of the last DAWs to include CLAP, as they have traditionally taken their time with just about everything. This does not rule out that there will ever be CLAP in Live, but we might still be a couple of years away from that. If FL does it, though, and then maybe Studio One follows soon, as they've been quick to adopt new technologies, then this thing might be heading into a bright future.
I can't ever see CLAP in Steinberg products, so now might be the time for a developer like DDMF to create a CLAP wrapper (a clapper?).
I can't ever see CLAP in Steinberg products, so now might be the time for a developer like DDMF to create a CLAP wrapper (a clapper?).
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- KVRAF
- 35404 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Not necessarily - they are the first other than Logic to support au3
Hopefully the EOL for VST2 plus continued shitshow that is VST3 will be a big boost for CLAP
