u-he Colour Copy - public beta!

[Krakatau]

it seems that this thread is more crowded so I just post these few presets here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qs1hmaegmf5io ... s.zip?dl=0

also, here an example (Chris squire’s « fish out of water ») of how it might sound :

https://www.dropbox.com/home/Yahoo!%20M ... 7s_end.mp3

...if the link doesn’t work for you, then listen to the 5 last minutes here :

[dangayle]

Love it in general.. BUT why no reverse Delays? Would make it much more versatile and I could get rid of the FM8 FX

This seems like an obvious thing to add to an otherwise (so far) amazing delay plugin. I seriously haven't had this much fun with a delay in a long time.

[sleepcircle]

huh… is a reverse delay even compatible with the architecture of a bucket brigade line? for some reason i feel like it's not, but i guess i don't know, honestly.

[EvilDragon]

I don't think it is.

[Biome_Digital]

U-he Colour Copy Demo and Free Presets

Take a listen to our demo and download these 15 free Colour Copy presets - https://bit.ly/colourcopy

In this audio demo only one oscillator in Native Instruments Massive was used with U-he Colour Copy inserted after it. On the left side the video shows when the dry sound is playing and the name of the presets used is shown on the right.

[dangayle]

huh… is a reverse delay even compatible with the architecture of a bucket brigade line? for some reason i feel like it's not, but i guess i don't know, honestly.

Not in a real circuit, but again, neither is a freeze.

[Delta Sign]

You'd need a flux compensator and at least 1.21 gigawatts of power to make reverse delays happen with Colour Copy's architecture, I think

[u-he-william]

You'd need a flux compensator and at least 1.21 gigawatts of power to make reverse delays happen with Colour Copy's architecture, I think

It’s hard but doable. The architecture isn’t suitable for reverse and it will certainly not be an auto reversing feature but a one time Reverse thingy

[sleepcircle]

@dangayle—a freeze would be compatible with a real-life bucket brigade, in a limited capacity, I think, if only because all you need to do is A. stop any new input from coming in and B. feed the last bucket into the first one without any filtering or anything. You could theoretically do that with a real circuit, even if (in reality) you would get a gradual tonal/colour drift as effects of the various components in the circuit were magnified with repetition.

I feel like the architecture itself of a bucket brigade delay isn't compatible with a reverse, is what I mean. It's sort of like old Delay Line Memory in that it depends on the gradual physical progress of the signal through the 'medium', in the old DLM a huge pipe full of mercury, here a bunch of little chained buffers (either a physical line of capacitors inside the analogue machine, or pointers to memory addresses inside the computer.) If nothing else it feels like—digitally speaking—a lot of optimization and code structure would be based around this constant forward progress through the chain.

I think it wouldn't be possible to do constant reversing (like Freakshow's Backmask plugin, for example, or a digital reverse delay guitar pedal) because you can't grab a big chunk of the buffer and flip it instantly—you can only feed little pieces into the beginning of the delay line. The moment you 'grab and flip' the entire advantage of a bucket brigade design is lost, i.e. the constantly-smooth sound and the naturally occurring pitch alteration.


^^^ i think. i'm not actually a sound engineer; i could be dead wrong—but this is my understanding of the problem.

[Delta Sign]

You'd need a flux compensator and at least 1.21 gigawatts of power to make reverse delays happen with Colour Copy's architecture, I think

It’s hard but doable. The architecture isn’t suitable for reverse and it will certainly not be an auto reversing feature but a one time Reverse thingy

Yeah, I guess one could temporarily reverse the content of the buffer, but unless my brain has a hiccup here, I don't think "real time reverse" would be possible with this architecture without inventing time travel first (or introducing stupid amounts of latency, which is the DSP equivalent of time travel, I suppose).

[HM]

I got so many delays, native, UAD, most of the main total bundles, Soundtoys, PSP, NI, IK, name it,..

Why should I get Color Copy, it needs to be UNIQUE, what is absolutely unique about Color Copy ??????

I'm still not a fan of it as a 'classic' delay effect soundwise, but I use delays mostly as as really duby delays, maybe that's a wrong expectations and it was never designed for that purpose. But I was really hoping for something like this in the echo boy direction

I found out that I quite like it as a effect with very short delay times to get almost flanger like or or metallic sound effects.

But there is one point were I really would like or better need a better control. The filter "brightness" in the feedback path.

I need to have a low/high pass to get exactly the part from the signal that I find interesting. That's not possible with the 'brightness' knob as it is a simple high OR low pass.

I agree, and there is another good offer from McDSP on the EC-300 suite, 67 USD at check out in JRR shop, Just got windows compatible, and upgraded as well, from a short listen on the demos sounds better in my ears, and seemingly got the separate highpass and lowpass

https://mcdsp.com/plug-ins/ec-300-echo-collection/

[woodsdenis]

[Biome_Digital]

huh… is a reverse delay even compatible with the architecture of a bucket brigade line? for some reason i feel like it's not, but i guess i don't know, honestly.

Adding reverse delay would be very welcome!

[u-he-william]

huh… is a reverse delay even compatible with the architecture of a bucket brigade line? for some reason i feel like it's not, but i guess i don't know, honestly.

Adding reverse delay would be very welcome!

If we can pull it off, it would be a one-shot reverse feature. Meaning, you press a button and everything that's currently in the delay will be reversed. However, new input will not be magically reversed.

[zvenx]

huh… is a reverse delay even compatible with the architecture of a bucket brigade line? for some reason i feel like it's not, but i guess i don't know, honestly.

Adding reverse delay would be very welcome!

If we can pull it off, it would be a one-shot reverse feature. Meaning, you press a button and everything that's currently in the delay will be reversed. However, new input will not be magically reversed.

Reverse indeed is one of my most missed feature on this (and echoboy), prior I had one delay that did reverse.. the now dead Bloom from fxpansion which was always buggy on my system.....

I saw Dubstation 2 from AudioDamage and got excited briefly about it's reverse knob which indeed works as william describes above.

Then there is TkDelay which has reverse.

SoundToys Crystallizer also has a reverse mode.

So I am curious, if you have sufficiently added Latency (which I understand would be an issue for live playing but not mixing) can't this be done? That is 'magically' reverse everything that comes in?


For me personally, what William describes is much less useful for me than a full reverse mode (even with the knowledge that enabling this button will increase latency)

What am I missing?
rsp