Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Lunch Money]

Hink - I know of 2 virtual guitar amp plug-ins that don't strive to emulate any particular models. One is Green Machine II. Sure, they do sort of emulate the 'vibe' (one channel is called British and the other American) but they don't seek to be copies.

Loves me some GMA2.

[fritzman]

Is it FUN ? Is it a useful TOOL ? Thats all that matters. Bottom line do YOU like something or not. Is it 'authentic' ... who gives a rats ass.

The issue of dynamics aside, you can get ANY sound out of ANY of these amp sims. No joke, you just need to learn that software.

Hi loophead,

Did you learn one of these ANY ampsims? Would you please make a convincing nu metal sound with it and post an mp3? That would be really cool of you.
Yes, I heard about that nu metal is dead. That's why lotsa people ask for it and NI puts such an example as the first of 15 mp3s on their website as demo for the GR2.


Thanx a lot, FRitz

I really hate mp3 demos, like I said before they are like watching magic on TV...it's just too easy to fudge...however I completely agree with loophead. Being someone that grew up with the vintage amps I will say that none of them actually represent the precise tone of the amp...but like loophead says, who cares?

Hm,

well, as much as I like to have something to check out for myself I think I better have an mp3 than nothing.
In this case the in my eyes not so clever statement that you can make ANY sound with ANY amp sim doesn't hold much truth. Therefore I asked for mp3 verification. I think this is simply not true. Or when did your Twin sounded like a Rectifier last time? Why should a stoopit amp sim do what your old combo can't?
And yes, I DO care for certain actually precise emulation of certain amps. Simply because I want these sounds. What's the problem with that?


Best wishes, FRitz

[composer11]

I noticed that the Sans used the Yamaha Pacifica 120 guitar. It's not available in the states as far as I can tell. What would be a comparable guitar available in the states? Of course, the humbuckers are playing a big role.

It is flattering to the Sansamp if they were really using Pacifica 120 in that demo, because it is one of the cheapest Yamaha guitars priced around 200-250$, telecaster body, but with 2 muddy souding humbuckers, all in all well built, decent guitar for that money,but you won't get serious tone from it. I am surprised they were using it for demo recording purposes.

Exactly, a cheap guitar that sounds so good on their demo mp3's, I can not believe it. Stunning. I have listened to almost all the amp sims, and this one sounds the best thus far. Although hearing it and then playing it must contribute to so degree. I was thinking of maybe a lower end PRS, like the Billy custom one. Then there is talk that EMG Active pickups are good for rock, metal. The thing is though, I think the Pacifica has humbuckers and single coil, so that would be a good all around guitar.....looking around now to see what is available and similar to the Pacifica. I had one of the first Sans Bass boxes and was always happy with it, but that was years ago.

Regarding the poster about Rocktron, that's good question, haven't given those a listen for a long time....Remember the chameleon? Then they came out with a interface that had a tube in it too.

Still waiting for the day that they come out with a tube amp / sim the size of a pick so you can put it in your pocket and play it live on in your lappy. There was this guy in Hollywood, long gone I think, where he took a Marshall JCM 800 and added a Mesa channel, it was a Dual Amp, looked like a Marshall and played like a Marshal or Rectifier, again more and lastly, the sound of a Fender Tonemaster is to die for, don't think they make those any more, one of the few point to point amps left, Bogner also had a good sound...

[A3ntar]

Exactly, a cheap guitar that sounds so good on their demo mp3's

composer, can you please point me to that link where one can download the MP3s?

Thanks.

[Hink]

Is it FUN ? Is it a useful TOOL ? Thats all that matters. Bottom line do YOU like something or not. Is it 'authentic' ... who gives a rats ass.

The issue of dynamics aside, you can get ANY sound out of ANY of these amp sims. No joke, you just need to learn that software.

Hi loophead,

Did you learn one of these ANY ampsims? Would you please make a convincing nu metal sound with it and post an mp3? That would be really cool of you.
Yes, I heard about that nu metal is dead. That's why lotsa people ask for it and NI puts such an example as the first of 15 mp3s on their website as demo for the GR2.


Thanx a lot, FRitz

I really hate mp3 demos, like I said before they are like watching magic on TV...it's just too easy to fudge...however I completely agree with loophead. Being someone that grew up with the vintage amps I will say that none of them actually represent the precise tone of the amp...but like loophead says, who cares?

Hm,

well, as much as I like to have something to check out for myself I think I better have an mp3 than nothing.
In this case the in my eyes not so clever statement that you can make ANY sound with ANY amp sim doesn't hold much truth. Therefore I asked for mp3 verification. I think this is simply not true. Or when did your Twin sounded like a Rectifier last time? Why should a stoopit amp sim do what your old combo can't?
And yes, I DO care for certain actually precise emulation of certain amps. Simply because I want these sounds. What's the problem with that?


Best wishes, FRitz

there's nothing wrong with that, if in fact that is what you're getting...but I suggest the only way to get that is with the amp you wish to emulate There may be some people who have played through many amps (I have in retail) there may be a few (very few) that might actually have the ability to accurately remember the sound...or at least one sound (with an old marshall you're in luck, it was a one sound amp) of an amp.

So when someone takes three amps, bluesbreaker, twin and a vox and plays a bunch different samples from all three, do you know anyone that will be able to tell you which is the marshall, which is the twin and which is the vox? Sure they might be able to seperate the samples into three groups, and it's possile to be 100% accurate. However it's not likely and further more because they are each capable of making very similar tones, one would have to find the extreme examples to figure out which amp is which. To take it one step further, that person would have to have a good knowledge of how each amp sounds....do all the math and see how much of the population is left...

I like the ones that are like what Greg pointed to, really even with hardware modelers we are still basically taking their word for it when the call it a plexi preset, or a twin ect. Instead a sim that does (which I'm not saying these dont) achieve the sounds of diffrent vintage amps should sound good anyhow....what difference does the label make? Besides it's possible that the education factor of "designing" your own sound is invaluable imo...

[fritzman]

Hey Hink,

yes, I can hear ya. I do care for sound and not for labels. I have some sounds/feelings stored into my heart and I want certain amp sounds that do come close to these things. If they call it "Pignose 3000 XXL" and it sounds like a Triple Rectifier: FINE! It's a good joke but I wouldn't care for the label. I would care for the label if it would say "2120" and it does sound like a farty Tube Screamer at best. A Tube Screamer can't deliver the tone of a 5150, that was my point. Amplitube doesn't have certain characteristics that I WANT in an amp (or guitar tone plugin) and that's it what counts for me. Does it FEEL right when I play it and does it sound right? Nothing else. No one will get any money from me for a plugin like that if it doesn't do that to me. I seldom had the wish to reamp so I will stay with my old but trusty POD for a quiet baby sleep friendly recording solution and wait for something that makes my jaw drop. And I won't buy a pinky punky floor pedal with it!!!


Best wishes, FRitz

[fritzman]

...
Besides it's possible that the education factor of "designing" your own sound is invaluable imo...

Ah,

I forgot this: Yes, I LOVE to make my own sounds. Did that for years with tube guitar amps that I built and modified. Lotsa fun.


Best wishes, FRitz

[loophead]

Fritz I think you misinterpret my post. Maybe its my bad. What I am saying is that the softwares available can all get to the same general places. You want an mp3 make one. It is not my time or desire to prove anything. I'm not selling anything here.

I am saying that I hear a lot of gibberish about this or that software. This or that hardware etc ad nausium. Folks should be more able to in their own hearts and minds avoid hype issues and targeted sale jargon, or out and out lies.

They all do about the same. I have heard great sounds from stuff I personally feel is crap. Why because in the hands of a competent user competent sounds are possible regardless of the plugin. Does this sentiment register with you better ?

I have softwares which I prefer over others because I enjoy interacting with them. It might take longer to get specific sounds while learning a plugin which may have been quite quick on some other. I choose to dig deeper in software I enjoy interacting with and finding those 'sounds' so I do and eventually dump the software I dont enjoy playing with so much.

Personally I like Izotope Trash over A1. It is very much deeper and can do quite a bit more esoteric stuff. A1 can not do multiband distortion so these are not equivalent softwares. So my bad they are not all 'the same'.

Here I guess my post was not clear. I am not saying in absolutes that they are all the same but in the general sense that they are. With work I can get 'my sound' out of any of them.

[kilroy]

I noticed that the Sans used the Yamaha Pacifica 120 guitar. It's not available in the states as far as I can tell. What would be a comparable guitar available in the states? Of course, the humbuckers are playing a big role.

I would not be over concerned about needing a Pacifica to get those sounds. Strats, Teles, SGs, Les Pauls, Ibanez, hollow bodies...they can, and will, all sound and play terribly nicely through the PSA. I would just find a guitar you are comfortable playing that is one you can afford.

What plays a bigger role in the "wow factor" with this sim has more to do with what is placed downstream of the preamp. If you run it into a tube amplifier the sound has a tendancy to close in a bit. The transients are not quite as articulate either, they don't "load and release" as cleanly, which can cause the attacks of following notes to be swallowed somewhat by the "hole" left by preceeding notes recovery phase. Of course that type of load and recovery behavior is typical of tubes, but my feeling is that the tube reactance modelling in the PSA does not respond as gracefully to more of the same from the tube amp. This actually makes perfectly reasonable sense. A good solid state amplifier is the better marriage for this type of processor. The other thing is having good wide range cabinets. Most conventional guitar cabs have a pretty band passed response, which is OK, but the PSA has a very wide range, and you will really notice this when you hear it through a playback system capable of full spectrum sound reproduction. One particular guitarist I frequently call for studio sessions runs his PSA through a Tech 21 solid state amplifier into a BagEnd Elf system, complete with a sub, for live work. That is flat out *the* most astounding guitar rig I have ever heard in all my days on earth...just bloody spectacular...a totally hi-fi sound in every respect. Heavy drop tuned playing has unbelievable weight yet it is taut and focussed, the mids and highs are ginsu sharp and clean. This bloke has *alot* of different instruments and they all sound fine to me through the PSA. I take a line from the preamp straight to the desk, and usually mike the cabinet up close and three feet back, maybe one up in the room somewhere. Walk back into the control room, put up the faders and...there it is, a bleeding lovely sound every time.

[AndrewSimon]

Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?

[Hink]

Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?

I think the playing is awesome, however the sound is purely subjective...I find the overall tone a little to electronic and tame to maintain the raw sound I like...

[A3ntar]

Andrew: A-M-A-Z-I-N-G lead tone man! Reminds me a bit of Gary Moore's / Santana's tone. I like very very much. Great find.

Btw, which product(s) is being featured in this demo?

[A3ntar]

n.m, i just noticed that it is the Rocktron Prophesy...Sweet stuff!

[Hink]

with a les paul I'm thinkin...

[A3ntar]

Exactly

Now let's hear something similar from AT2...IK is sleeping..ZzzZzzzzz