KVR Audio

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:39 pm

After sleeping on it, I reverted back to v 8.0 and opened a .bak there. I was able to retain a lot of the work otherwise lost in doing so. I could have used the $50 I paid for this unuseable point upgrade from 8 to 8.5 to buy beer, and then I'd still have my hair and my tracks. Maybe it's time for a change. My pride says "Don't be a chump".

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:27 am

rustman wrote:[snip] I just spent a couple of hours salvaging a project with the group channels going silent bug. I had to remove all automation, copy effects and their settings to each track, and a lot more. You can't just delete the group tracks- you have to go in to channel settings for each track and route them to the master, then close channel settings, repeat. Only then can you delete the group tracks. [snip]

I've never heard of the "group channels going silent bug" but I do know that group channels can be deleted without rerouting tracks/channels. Delete a group and any tracks routed through it just get sent to the stereo out.
Whatever, it's a pain to have to redo stuff for any reason.

Frequent alt+ctrl+s-ing is my defence, as often as every 10 mins if I'm doing a lot of editing. End up with a lot of .cpr files though!

xphen0m · Post by **xphen0m** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:44 am

Overall, I like 8.5. I'm not a fan of the new punch system, but I have used the Track Import feature a number of times already. Extremely handy feature.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:33 am

Ayorinde wrote:
rustman wrote:[snip] I just spent a couple of hours salvaging a project with the group channels going silent bug. I had to remove all automation, copy effects and their settings to each track, and a lot more. You can't just delete the group tracks- you have to go in to channel settings for each track and route them to the master, then close channel settings, repeat. Only then can you delete the group tracks. [snip]
I've never heard of the "group channels going silent bug" but I do know that group channels can be deleted without rerouting tracks/channels. Delete a group and any tracks routed through it just get sent to the stereo out.
Whatever, it's a pain to have to redo stuff for any reason. Frequent alt+ctrl+s-ing is my defence, as often as every 10 mins if I'm doing a lot of editing. End up with a lot of .cpr files though!

There has been a thread for several months about VCA tracks being silent when returning to projects that you've used them on in the past. It's intermittent. I posted there that I'm having the same issue with not only VCA tracks, but on Group tracks. They have yet to move it to known issues, and multiple people have reported it in the thread.
Regarding deleting group tracks, what you said is true, normally. However, when I was trying to solve this one, when I deleted them, then the tracks themselves all went silent and I could not recover them. That is why I had to step back and start with the most recent .bak. It's happened on more than one of my projects.
Other than that single biggie, I really love 8.5 and I feel at home in Cubase. I'm just hoping they will acknowledge the problem and fix it soon. I'm going to have to work in 8 for the time being. Not the worst thing in the world. 8 is still good.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:45 am

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lfm · Post by **lfm** » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:12 pm

TheoM wrote: Logic has delete orphan automation, delete automation from a certain track(s), or delete all project automation. So Cubase certainly not alone there.

Thanks, I guess my assumption was wrong. Good to know.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:07 am

TheoM wrote:ok that i knew but it's not really taking a mono in and letting the reverb or delay convert it to stereo.

That SAID, i wonder if it's exactly the same thing, i.e, putting a stereo effect 2 in 2 out on a mono file that has been converted to stereo, equals putting a mono to stereo effect on a mono file (which cubase doesn't support)

I thought about this a bit before answering... there's something I'm just unable to abstractly imagine, or this is an imaginary problem. Your sentence at the top appears to state that the reverb or delay is doing a conversion; and Cubase is negating that thru its architecture somehow.

Ok, I have not used any mono-to-stereo FX. But I use mono for a couple of things. Remote session from a sax player or a vocalist, I'm probably going to see a mono file. Kick and snare drums from BFD. Here's the rub: my experience is that the reverb or delay plugin does take a mono in and by its process, as a stereo processor is now dealing in stereo.

The source for the input here is a mono audio track. Upshot: Cubase is not a part of this process, mono to stereo is accomplished by the stereo plugin per se.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:29 am

IE: I often narrow the field for an instrument to effectively mono (I was forced to with the last v. of BFD2 x64 due to a bug), and I have dealt in mono sending to the 'room'; there is effectively no difference in the result. So there may be some point to it in a certain type of Effect, but per stereo reverb (or delay in all likelihood) mono input is not specifically meaningful. This reverb provides control of diffusion from X-Feed = 0%, which means it reflects the instruments field per that channel as focused as possible, to X-Feed = 100% which is fully diffuse reflections. So thru this experience I felt this mono-to-stereo would not be a real problem, but I did verify it here today.

goniometer indicates the fact of the stereo reverb turned this:

into this:

qtheerearranger · Post by **qtheerearranger** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:28 am

Still waiting for a demo version

ratsratsrats · Post by **ratsratsrats** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:51 am

Am I the only person who feels like they just bought the upgrade to 8.0 from 7.5?

DodgingRain · Post by **DodgingRain** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:57 pm

Overall, I like 8.5. I'm not a fan of the new punch system, but I have used the Track Import feature a number of times already. Extremely handy feature.

Yup. Especially when you have a project that goes crazy and refuses to open any more. You can get most of it back except for which ever track is causing Cubase to crash when opening the project. Really handy for this even though it shouldn't be needed for this in the first place!

mchannemann · Post by **mchannemann** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:31 am

Hi Compyfox,

just back from family holiday and still no change it crashes always at the same spot so I call them in 30 minutes....
Not a happy guy at the moment

kelldammit · Post by **kelldammit** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:33 pm

Ayorinde wrote:
rustman wrote:[snip] I just spent a couple of hours salvaging a project with the group channels going silent bug. I had to remove all automation, copy effects and their settings to each track, and a lot more. You can't just delete the group tracks- you have to go in to channel settings for each track and route them to the master, then close channel settings, repeat. Only then can you delete the group tracks. [snip]
I've never heard of the "group channels going silent bug" but I do know that group channels can be deleted without rerouting tracks/channels. Delete a group and any tracks routed through it just get sent to the stereo out.
Whatever, it's a pain to have to redo stuff for any reason. Frequent alt+ctrl+s-ing is my defence, as often as every 10 mins if I'm doing a lot of editing. End up with a lot of .cpr files though!

i actually just had this one pop up on me. I'd added a vca group, and it went dead. Saved, quit cubase, reopened the project, and all was behaving as normal again. Haven't seen it since.
it was the 2nd vca group i'd added...never had issue with the first, but haven't needed to add any more, either.

Cubase 8.5 here any day now...and the day has come