Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[eXode]

Imagine a fresh install with 50+ plugins from 5-10 different developers. In Reason you install the main application and then login to your account and click "sync" it doesn't get much simpler than that.

Some of us know that the RE platform is far from perfect, but give credit where credit is due.

What? Are you installing "fresh install" every week? I am doing it every three years maybe and even then. If you need to reinstall your computer every month or two you are seriously doing something wrong with it..

Well the same is true for bug fixes and free updates. Again convenient in keeping it all in one place, no need to check individual sites (although some VST offer update checks internally).

At either rate I don't think we're getting further in this discussion. You got your opinion and I got mine. Lets leave it at that.

[eXode]

I don't care so much but seriously does it mean that people for example can't use VST editors for hardware devices? Like Virus TI, Integra etc.

No, it's the other way around. It means users can't use i.e. MIDI arpeggiators/sequencers to control Reason devices/other VSTs in Reason, send notes to tracks etc. Reportedly stuff like Overbridge, etc works fine.

[kmonkey]

You can create MIDI clips in all scales, basslines following scale changes whatnot. On a single button.

No wonder so many EDM producers choose Ableton Live then

Yeah right EDM producers choosed Live way before these tools existed Not because of tool but because of Clip view (my guess).

The point is - Reason average user always think something is mindbending and complicated to use/develop while such feature exist in VST world usually for free.

[KarmaShaman]

Agree with eXode, Reason truly is the gold standard when it comes to plugin licence management. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if, on the May 29th release date, that Propellerhead have an ace up their sleeve and host VSTs under the same shop & auth model as REs.

Think about it - why would they wilfully throw away a commission cash cow when everyone can go use VSTs sourced from other sellers? Best of both worlds, they keep VSTs in their RE shop, make commission on them, an manage the authorisation of the licences.

Which would also explain why so much screen time of the 9.5 promo video is dedicated to izotope, xfer, Kontakt. There's no reason those developers would waste their time on doing the video if there wasn't a business arrangement in there.

It may even well be that Propellerheads are vying to be the #1 international online store and licence authorisation system for every VST out there.

You heard it here first, folks.

[Trancit]

Aha...typical Reason view. Let me guess. You are Reason user which never looked in to any other DAW right? As usual you live under a stone and your education is long overdue.

I don´t even have Reason

What on earth you talk about Ableton have something like Reason players for decade now. It's not called same but it's there. Max For live not only does have various similar devices but community is able to offer commercial immersive products which surpass anything you see in current Reason. Like for REAL! You can create MIDI clips in all scales, basslines following scale changes whatnot. On a single button.

It´s fine, that it´s working for you, but with the Reason Players, I can come up with something I like in 2 seconds... with the M4L stuff I try to understand and study and study, watch videos and I don´t understand a single word... that´s what I meant...if you find something in VST land, it is overcomplicated, that you need a knowledge about what´s going on, that you in principle don´t have much use for it...
And many claiming about the size of the rack in Reason... for Ableton users should be joke, they still have to work with half size...

There is nothing, nothing, nothing (at least, what my brain is able to understand) in VST land, which can compete with the combination of powerful features and the ease of use...
Just a simple example:
Extended chords (with the third one octave above) are since years very popular in electronic music...

Name me one possibility (plugin or whatever except standalone) in VST land, which takes care of extended chords other than making your own presets????
In Scale and chords it´s just one button, same for adding the root 1 oct below or above or not, a simple knob for different inversions...
That´s what I meant:
They just have a feeling, what features are needed in such a plugin and combine this with an ease of use, that every bloody idiot like I am, is immediately able to use this in a creative way...
M4L stuff is for me like rocket science

[starflakeprj]

You can create MIDI clips in all scales, basslines following scale changes whatnot. On a single button.

No wonder so many EDM producers choose Ableton Live then

Yeah right EDM producers choosed Live way before these tools existed Not because of tool but because of Clip view (my guess).

The point is - Reason average user always think something is mindbending and complicated to use/develop while such feature exist in VST world usually for free.

I'm a multi-DAW user, which is fun but not so effective. I really like the players in Reason, but I would say Studio One is still my primary, which came with "Note FX" in version 3, but they are crappy comparing to the players in Reason. Therefore I was one of those thinking "wow!" when the players were released, and it was one of the reasons I purchased Reason to begin with.

If it wasn't for the GUI in Ableton (which I don't like at all), I would probably go with Ableton already, mostly because of M4L

[KarmaShaman]

It´s fine, that it´s working for you, but with the Reason Players, I can come up with something I like in 2 seconds...

And that was the moment that Propellerhead decided to stop making software for musicians. Push a button, insta-music

[Trancit]

And that was the moment that Propellerhead decided to stop making software for musicians. Push a button, insta-music !

That´s the same bullshit like traditionell musicians say about computerbased music...

Who decides, that only people with in depth knowledge about music theory are allowed to make music

[KarmaShaman]

And that was the moment that Propellerhead decided to stop making software for musicians. Push a button, insta-music !

That´s the same bullshit like traditionell musicians say about computerbased music...

Who decides, that only people with in depth knowledge about music theory are allowed to make music

Enjoy your single-button sonata.

[Trancit]

Enjoy your single-button sonata.

I cannot, I don´t own Reason as I said before... but perhaps I would beat the next Amadeus Mozart, who would be you, if I understood you right

[Trancit]

Please a question to the beta users:

Does, having a VST editor open, steal the keyboard focus for i.e. the space bar for start and stop???

[xbitz]

Please a question to the beta users:

Does, having a VST editor open, steal the keyboard focus for i.e. the space bar for start and stop???

yes , and an FL like per device based solution been requested

Keep focus - Prevent the plugin from stealing keyboard input. NOTE: This won't always work. In particular bridged plugins always steal keyboard focus if focussed

- http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHel ... insettings

dunno it will be supported or not, should check the demo after it released

[Trancit]

Thx, that´s indeed a showstopper for me atm... I hate not being able to use spacebar, if a plugin GUI is open

[KarmaShaman]

Enjoy your single-button sonata.

I cannot, I don´t own Reason as I said before... but perhaps I would beat the next Amadeus Mozart, who would be you, if I understood you right

No need for you to get so salty. I'm not claiming to be a gun composer. My point is that Reason are making devices for idiots who don't even wan't to try to compose a piece. They have been releasing stupid devices for a while now. Audiomatic was a previous one - a trainwreck of retarded sound FX that I'm guessing was developed by a mentally challenged relative of Ernst. It's actually been years since they'e released an instrument in a Reason release.

But as I stated, the future looks good for a change. Get the pasty old CEO out the door, along with that brain damaged bearded goose, the American show pony, the almost-mute customer service staff and all the other dead wood, and I'm confident that we'll see more progress towards a pro-DAW than we've ever seen in the history of Propellerheads.

[Trancit]

No need for you to get so salty... My point is that Reason are making devices for idiots who don't even wan't to try to compose a piece...

No comment other than:

Do you read sometimes what you are wrighting???