I had to get creative in order to get through finally. These guys are very busy trying to pull this together. The fact that he asks us to leave messages should be an indication of this.apfx45 wrote:don't jeez me.....I was just referencing that you were able to speak someone...I have a slightly different issue to inquire about that has nothing to do with what you posted above....
yrg thread
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6179 posts since 29 Mar, 2003 from Location: Location
....................Don`t blame me for 'The Roots', I just live here. 
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6179 posts since 29 Mar, 2003 from Location: Location
He said his main voice mailbox is packed solid with messages. I guess he doesn't have time to answer since he's on the phone calling pre-order customers so they can ship the stock out.apfx45 wrote:obviously so.......like I said at least you were able to get through and obtain pertinent information....a good thing
....................Don`t blame me for 'The Roots', I just live here.
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 27 Mar, 2005 from Spain
Although it has been called a 'guitar' it is, essentially, a keyboard device. As such, tracking is a non-issue.warza wrote:For an under $200 device, this looks like it may track amazingly well.
Yes, that certainly appears to be the case.warza wrote:Could it finally be that there is an affordable MIDI guitar controller for the masses?
Graeme
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 18 May, 2010
And more on the way:
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Here's the new Fender Game Controller
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/11/your- ... -revealed/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/ ... enps31.jpg
Lots of pics here:
http://www.joystiq.com/photos/rock-band-3-hardware/#/0
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Here's the new Fender Game Controller
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/11/your- ... -revealed/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/ ... enps31.jpg
Lots of pics here:
http://www.joystiq.com/photos/rock-band-3-hardware/#/0
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JAMES L. HARRISON JAMES L. HARRISON https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=140224
- KVRist
- 73 posts since 14 Feb, 2007 from BRANDON, FL
So far I haven't seen anything that poses any kind of challenge to the YRG from the viewpoint of someone interested in midi guitar. IMHO Inspired has really stolen a march on the competition so far WRT features.
And the volume of gaming offerings tends to support Inspired's marketing decision re: The gamer function of the YRG, which is of no interest whatsoever to me. But if it helps them sell a zillion then great...
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And the volume of gaming offerings tends to support Inspired's marketing decision re: The gamer function of the YRG, which is of no interest whatsoever to me. But if it helps them sell a zillion then great...
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Elantric wrote:And more on the way:
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Here's the new Fender Game Controller
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/11/your- ... -revealed/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/ ... enps31.jpg
Lots of pics here:
http://www.joystiq.com/photos/rock-band-3-hardware/#/0
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- KVRist
- 71 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Challenge in terms of what? Features, or marketing hype?JAMES L. HARRISON wrote:So far I haven't seen anything that poses any kind of challenge to the YRG from the viewpoint of someone interested in midi guitar. IMHO Inspired has really stolen a march on the competition so far WRT features.
And the volume of gaming offerings tends to support Inspired's marketing decision re: The gamer function of the YRG, which is of no interest whatsoever to me. But if it helps them sell a zillion then great...
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The Ztar certainly poses more of a challenge feature wise for midi guitar (having more features excluding the gaming), and they are coming with their own low cost game controller, and Starr Labs already has the expertise in this field.
In terms of marketing, IF the new Fender controllers do midi also, Fender should be in a position to almost completely dominate both markets, since they have the capital, brand recognition, and the retail reach to do it.
Think of it this way, If a young kid has the choice between the "You Rock!" guitar (complete with ultra cheesy marketing videos), or a damn cool "Fender Strat" controller that looks like the same big boy guitar that their favorite band endorses (and says "Fender" on the headstock), which one do you think they are gonna choose?
(*edit - apparently the Fender/Harmonix Rock Band 3 controllers are also full midi controllers, at least the Mustang pro one is - http://kotaku.com/5560679/rock-band-3-p ... controller, and they are going to be around $150 retail according to that site).
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- KVRAF
- 7898 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
....Anyway my YRG arrives 6 days from now. I got the tracking info from Kevin.
That fender looks cool but I'd need a lot more details about it.
That fender looks cool but I'd need a lot more details about it.
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- KVRist
- 71 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
You have a baby z already, correct? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how the YRG compares, esp. for tapping styles. I find the concept of the baby z a bit odd (no string triggers/limited frets), but I'm sure it works well.tapper mike wrote:....Anyway my YRG arrives 6 days from now. I got the tracking info from Kevin.
That fender looks cool but I'd need a lot more details about it.
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- KVRAF
- 7898 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
I love my babyz but anyone interested in a z save your money for a z5 or z7 especially with the deals harvey is offering.
The babyz while not having strings does have triggers and expression pads. While one can't strum as one can with strings. One can apply a knocking approach. That's me -
You can also finger tap the key triggers as if you were finger picking but not quite. Because you are literally tapping the triggers your doing it faster then lateral motion. You can get rediculus speeds for tremelo or arpeggios but it's very awkuard feeling. I wish they were plastic buttons as opposed to rubber strips.
95 percent of my playing is devoted to tapping now. Tapping on a ztar is a universe unto itself, It opens possibilites not achievable on guitar or stick. Once again as I look back I would have preferred to have plastic buttons on the neck. But I didn't have the money to pony up for a miniZ which I think is the quintessential tapping instrument.
From what I've seen "tap" mode on the YRG is a fixed volume / velocity setting. With the ztar you can set it up for both fixed and pressure response. Fized is not a bad thing it's actually a good thing for tapping. You can be a giant with popeye forarms and still not get the force with your left had to hammer down notes as you do with your rights. With a variable rate of dynamics go thru the roof where as the left hand index finger has the lightest of force while the right hand is extremely loud. Because the ztar is so programmable you can tailor velocity curves (even reverse them) to bring back velocity dynamics that are a little more under control. Also you can assing attach values to any controller. EG rather then using the volume/expression pedal for just volume use it for velocity and rock your accents.
Ztars are incredibly programmable. As Shane pointed out to me here at KVR each note on the fretboard isn't really a note it's a key/button. Anywhere you can create a rectangle you can create a "zone" similar to a "Layer" on a keyboard" zones can overlap most ztars have 32 zones You can assign the zone to 32 midi channels (16 left/right) You can then assign each button to a note. It's much more indepth then just choosing a tuning. With the zone you can assign fretboard properties. "Poly" or "Guitar" In "Guitar" it acts as mono per string much like a guitar so you can handle hammer ons and pull offs. In "Poly" all the buttons are active. It's best to avoid barre chords in Poly till you get the hang of it. While you can set poly up for hammer ons and pull offs it's best to avoid it untill you reall get a handle on the thing. "Zones" also have a Key settings "Fret" "Tap" "Chord" and "Pad"
Fret and tap are fairly obvious, Chord are just as Harvey's video describles you can assign a chord to a singe key. Pad is less obvious it should have been named "Latch" press onces to activate press again to deactivate. This is great for activating loops or key switching.
If you are thinking ztar, I can't stress this enough Get one with 24 frets The babyz has 16 frets, As I spin into various approaches. One of them being two part stuff This involves multiple zones. As an example zone one is frets 1~9 for the left part (usually harmony) and frets 10~16 for the right (Melody or bass. It would be a heck of alot easier if I could have 1~12 for one channed and 13~24 for another. It also would be easier If I had even spaced frets such as on z6's, z7's or mini-z's.
I don't expect my YRG to have one tenth of the features my ztar does. Sometines I really want to strum, alternate pick and fingerpick midi. Sonething which any ztar with strings or a yrg can do. I can't afford another ztar right now which is why I bought the yrg.
The babyz while not having strings does have triggers and expression pads. While one can't strum as one can with strings. One can apply a knocking approach. That's me -
You can also finger tap the key triggers as if you were finger picking but not quite. Because you are literally tapping the triggers your doing it faster then lateral motion. You can get rediculus speeds for tremelo or arpeggios but it's very awkuard feeling. I wish they were plastic buttons as opposed to rubber strips.
95 percent of my playing is devoted to tapping now. Tapping on a ztar is a universe unto itself, It opens possibilites not achievable on guitar or stick. Once again as I look back I would have preferred to have plastic buttons on the neck. But I didn't have the money to pony up for a miniZ which I think is the quintessential tapping instrument.
From what I've seen "tap" mode on the YRG is a fixed volume / velocity setting. With the ztar you can set it up for both fixed and pressure response. Fized is not a bad thing it's actually a good thing for tapping. You can be a giant with popeye forarms and still not get the force with your left had to hammer down notes as you do with your rights. With a variable rate of dynamics go thru the roof where as the left hand index finger has the lightest of force while the right hand is extremely loud. Because the ztar is so programmable you can tailor velocity curves (even reverse them) to bring back velocity dynamics that are a little more under control. Also you can assing attach values to any controller. EG rather then using the volume/expression pedal for just volume use it for velocity and rock your accents.
Ztars are incredibly programmable. As Shane pointed out to me here at KVR each note on the fretboard isn't really a note it's a key/button. Anywhere you can create a rectangle you can create a "zone" similar to a "Layer" on a keyboard" zones can overlap most ztars have 32 zones You can assign the zone to 32 midi channels (16 left/right) You can then assign each button to a note. It's much more indepth then just choosing a tuning. With the zone you can assign fretboard properties. "Poly" or "Guitar" In "Guitar" it acts as mono per string much like a guitar so you can handle hammer ons and pull offs. In "Poly" all the buttons are active. It's best to avoid barre chords in Poly till you get the hang of it. While you can set poly up for hammer ons and pull offs it's best to avoid it untill you reall get a handle on the thing. "Zones" also have a Key settings "Fret" "Tap" "Chord" and "Pad"
Fret and tap are fairly obvious, Chord are just as Harvey's video describles you can assign a chord to a singe key. Pad is less obvious it should have been named "Latch" press onces to activate press again to deactivate. This is great for activating loops or key switching.
If you are thinking ztar, I can't stress this enough Get one with 24 frets The babyz has 16 frets, As I spin into various approaches. One of them being two part stuff This involves multiple zones. As an example zone one is frets 1~9 for the left part (usually harmony) and frets 10~16 for the right (Melody or bass. It would be a heck of alot easier if I could have 1~12 for one channed and 13~24 for another. It also would be easier If I had even spaced frets such as on z6's, z7's or mini-z's.
I don't expect my YRG to have one tenth of the features my ztar does. Sometines I really want to strum, alternate pick and fingerpick midi. Sonething which any ztar with strings or a yrg can do. I can't afford another ztar right now which is why I bought the yrg.
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 18 May, 2010
I have not has a lot of time to spend with my YRG, which arrived yesterday. First of all it's never going to replace a real stringed instrument. Only been able to use the internal sounds. I experience zero velocity curve when picking strings. If you pick too lightly, no sound. You pic a little harder, no sound, then eventually you reach the threshold of response - but you trigger the full force sound of whatever the sampled sound is currently selected. No dynamics. No palm muting. No ability to manipulate individual string to string volume level. High E always sounds lower volume than the rest. About as satisfying as playing a 1980s Casio Keyboard with no velocity. The two buttons below the bridge change the current alternate tuning.
I do like Tap Mode as this removes the poor string triggers from the equation. Had not time to try YRG as a MIDI controller yet.
I do like Tap Mode as this removes the poor string triggers from the equation. Had not time to try YRG as a MIDI controller yet.
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- KVRAF
- 9528 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
One criticism of midi over the years was its ability to be static and lifeless. IElantric wrote:I have not has a lot of time to spend with my YRG, which arrived yesterday. First of all it's never going to replace a real strings instrument. Only been able to use the internal sounds. I observe that I observe zero velocity curve when picking strings. If you pick too lightly, no sound. You pic a little harder and then you trigger the full force sound of whatever the sampled sound is currently selected. No palm muting. No dynamics. No ability to manipulate individual string to string volume level. High E always sounds lower volume than the rest. About as satisfying as playing a 1980s Casio Keyboard with no velocity.
I do like Tap Mode as this removes the poor string triggers from the equation. Had not time to try YRG as a MIDI controler yet.
suspect that by choosing certain synths and types of sounds to control, urokers will be able to find a nice niche of triggered instruments and layers to make urok a popular tool for recording. And tap mode will very useful for that. Hopefully the buttons will
be heavy-duty.
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- KVRist
- 66 posts since 8 Jul, 2006
"One criticism of midi over the years was its ability to be static and lifeless. I
suspect that by choosing certain synths and types of sounds to control, urokers will be able to find a nice niche of triggered instruments and layers to make urok a popular tool for recording. And tap mode will very useful for that. Hopefully the buttons will
be heavy-duty"
Hope springs eternal
suspect that by choosing certain synths and types of sounds to control, urokers will be able to find a nice niche of triggered instruments and layers to make urok a popular tool for recording. And tap mode will very useful for that. Hopefully the buttons will
be heavy-duty"
Hope springs eternal
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- KVRAF
- 7898 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
This guy appears to be not stiff at all playing an dg 20
What you put in to the intrument affects what you get out. Try adjusting the strings and give your self a day or two to adjust to the instrument. Chances are you are overforcing your left hand to match the attack of your right. People have a habit of claming down when they should be lighting up.
What you put in to the intrument affects what you get out. Try adjusting the strings and give your self a day or two to adjust to the instrument. Chances are you are overforcing your left hand to match the attack of your right. People have a habit of claming down when they should be lighting up.