New x86-based Macs are out!

[A3ntar]

With window machine you mean standard x86 'pc', well between me and you: already does

arguru can you share the info with us?

[Reverse Engineer]

With window machine you mean standard x86 'pc', well between me and you: already does

arguru can you share the info with us?

Here's http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ one option i know of. Never tried it because i've had no want nor need for anything Mac, but some obviously do and this is the offspring.

[egbert]

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/11/merom ... september/

Here's a paste from the above link on Intel's new processors and their lack of 64 bit-ness:

Chicago (IL) - Intel is on track to introduce its next-generation mobile processor "Merom", which will also serve for as foundation for a range of desktop and server processors, in September of this year, TG Daily has learned. Merom will launch at 2.33 GHz and bring 64-bit capability to a refreshed mobile processor platform, code-named Napa64.

Within the past two weeks, Intel introduced what is most likely, its broadest processor introduction in the firm's history. At CES, Core Duo was announced and, according to Intel, is available in well more than 230 designs, 110 of which are Viiv entertainment center PCs. And while Apple is still promoting the launch of the first Intel processor in its systems, sources provided us first details about the successor of the CPU.


Intel apparently has scheduled the launch of Merom for September of this year. Back in Fall of 2005, it had been speculated that Merom would arrive very early in Q3 of 2006 and possibly could have been the processor Apple wanted to use for its transition into the x86 world. Whether Merom is delayed or not, a September delivery date was too late for Apple to make the x86 move in order to be able complete the transition buy the end of 2006. Core Duo therefore was the obvious choice.

Core is a 32-bit processor, mainly because 64-bit support would have required more transistors and would have negatively impacted power consumption of the chip, we were previously told by Intel executives. This is not a big deal right now, as 64-bit applications are rather scarce. However, according to sources, Windows Vista and Microsoft's upcoming Office suite will introduce 64-bit extensions in the 2007 timeframe which, as a result, will not be supported by Core.

Users who rely on 64-bit computing already today and would like to purchase a product that will run all features of Vista and Office in the 2007 will have to wait for Merom. The processor is based on a newly developed architecture that will spread its genes throughout Intel's processor portfolio. At least half a dozen Merom derivates for desktop and server platforms are scheduled to arrive between September 2006 and the first quarter of 2008.

Sources told TG Daily that Merom silicon as part of the Napa64 platform (Calistoga chipset) is on track, but currently shows higher power consumption levels than the company anticipated. Preliminary tests also revealed than power consumption under Vista is about 5 to 10% higher than under Windows XP. Intel plans to introduce Merom at 2.33 GHz, with the option to also offer 2.5 GHz, if thermal design power (TDP) goals can be achieved.

Napa64 is considered to be a refresh of the current Napa platform for the Core Duo processor. Details on the feature enhancements are still missing, but it is a good guess that Intel will introduce chipset enhancements we described not quite two weeks ago - such as HDMI, HD audio and a trusted platform module (TPM).

A completely new platform for Merom will be arriving in the second quarter of 2007: There is little we know about this platform, which is code-named Santa Rosa, so far. However, sources indicated that the platform originally was planned to carry DDR3 memory, FSB1066 as well as a major graphics upgrade - all of which have been dropped. Also, the platform is unlikely to be capable of running HD video through hardware decoding. For example, ATI is expected to have such a feature available for mobile platforms through its RS600 chip sometime in 2006, while Intel apparently will not support hardware HD video decoding until 2008, sources indicated.

[neverwhere2012]

just a note on "engineering" of apple laptops. i set up a wireless network for a couple guys in an office. one of them had a Titanium Powerbook and also had a Dell laptop previously. he had both laptops in the same laptop case one day and accidentally backed up on the case in his Hummer H2. the Dell exploded, the Powerbook was quite visibly bowed and working great -- to put it better, the laptop was a little hard to type on because it rocked from side to side on the guy's perfectly flat desk. i haven't seen an offering from any PC manufacturer -- even Sony -- that can match an apple laptop for durability.

[Reverse Engineer]

just a note on "engineering" of apple laptops. i set up a wireless network for a couple guys in an office. one of them had a Titanium Powerbook and also had a Dell laptop previously. he had both laptops in the same laptop case one day and accidentally backed up on the case in his Hummer H2. the Dell exploded, the Powerbook was quite visibly bowed and working great -- to put it better, the laptop was a little hard to type on because it rocked from side to side on the guy's perfectly flat desk. i haven't seen an offering from any PC manufacturer -- even Sony -- that can match an apple laptop for durability.

One could say only a humvee driving Mac user could be so dumb, but one shall refrain from such sweeping assumptions. BTW, if the Dell was on top, then of course it'd take the brunt of the force. Basic physics wee laddy.

[jones-y]

BTW, if the Dell was on top, then of course it'd take the brunt of the force. Basic physics wee laddy.

How so?

If I put a 50 pound weight on top of two slices of bread, would the top slice be more squished?

[Reverse Engineer]

BTW, if the Dell was on top, then of course it'd take the brunt of the force. Basic physics wee laddy.

How so?

If I put a 50 pound weight on top of two slices of bread, would the top slice be more squished?

Maybe the basics are too advanced...... lets start from the beginning.

2x1=2
2x2=4
2x3=6
..................

[jones-y]

Okay, patronise someone else jackass. Now back up your statement.

[jones-y]

f**king KVR, I swear. I mean you bunch of assholes thrive on humiliating people with your superior knowledge. Or should I say Google skills?

I mean f**k, I'm sorry I didn't feel like pulling out my physics texts. Shit I preferred heisenberg over Newton, so no I didn't f**king pay attention in Physics 1. Is that f**king okay with you dicknose?

[jones-y]

Google bogged down, huh?

[Reverse Engineer]

Okay, patronise someone else jackass. Now back up your statement.

Look, i'm sorry. I was making a joke, not being patronising, that really was not my intention. I'm a smart arse, but i really reeeeally don't feel superior to anyone, especially someone i don't even know. I only got the first year of a secondary education before i was kicked out of school, so i am in no position at all to think i'm better or whatever.

Anyway. Think about it this way, if you stack say ten bricks on top of each other then press down on them with a great force, the first few will break, but the lower down ones will, due to the upper ones absorbing the majority of the pressure, be pretty much unscathed (depending on the volume/speed of the force etc.)

[egbert]

just a note on "engineering" of apple laptops. i set up a wireless network for a couple guys in an office. one of them had a Titanium Powerbook and also had a Dell laptop previously. he had both laptops in the same laptop case one day and accidentally backed up on the case in his Hummer H2. the Dell exploded, the Powerbook was quite visibly bowed and working great -- to put it better, the laptop was a little hard to type on because it rocked from side to side on the guy's perfectly flat desk. i haven't seen an offering from any PC manufacturer -- even Sony -- that can match an apple laptop for durability.

Stinkpads have a pretty solid "roll cage" chassis which apparently makes them pretty tough.

Anyway. Think about it this way, if you stack say ten bricks on top of each other then press down on them with a great force, the first few will break, but the lower down ones will, due to the upper ones absorbing the majority of the pressure, be pretty much unscathed (depending on the volume/speed of the force etc.)

Actually that notion of "absorbing the pressure" is false - a common misconception that you would (hopefully) have been disabused of if you had studied physics or engineering. Energy of impact is absorbed ( ie kinetic energy is transmuted into heat and sound )but pressure is transmitted.

What is true is that any deformity due to localised impact or pressure would probably be concentrated to some extent on the top item - slice of bread, laptop or brick. This might mean that actual structural damage/deformation would occur mostly to the upper items in the stack. As far as the downward force - this is transmitted all the way down the stack - the reaction force which limits the descent of the Hummer's tyre comes up from something solid (ie the ground)at the bottom.

BTW - pressure is force/unit area so in your stack of laptops example the contact area of the pressing object on the top laptop case might easily be smaller than the area of contact between lower members of the stack. The transmitted force would be the same but the pressure at lower levels of the stack would be less due to the larger surface area.

[jones-y]

Okay I misunderstood you. I'm sorry for flicking off for a second there. I'm back now...

[Reverse Engineer]

just a note on "engineering" of apple laptops. i set up a wireless network for a couple guys in an office. one of them had a Titanium Powerbook and also had a Dell laptop previously. he had both laptops in the same laptop case one day and accidentally backed up on the case in his Hummer H2. the Dell exploded, the Powerbook was quite visibly bowed and working great -- to put it better, the laptop was a little hard to type on because it rocked from side to side on the guy's perfectly flat desk. i haven't seen an offering from any PC manufacturer -- even Sony -- that can match an apple laptop for durability.

Stinkpads have a pretty solid "roll cage" chassis which apparently makes them pretty tough.

Anyway. Think about it this way, if you stack say ten bricks on top of each other then press down on them with a great force, the first few will break, but the lower down ones will, due to the upper ones absorbing the majority of the pressure, be pretty much unscathed (depending on the volume/speed of the force etc.)

Actually that notion of "absorbing the pressure" is false - a common misconception that you would (hopefully) have been disabused of if you had studied physics or engineering. What is true is that any deformity due to localised impact or pressure would probably be concentrated on the top item - slice of bread, laptop or brick. This might mean that actual structural damage/deformation would occur mostly to the upper items in the stack. As far as the downward force - this is transmitted all the way down the stack - the reaction force which limits the descent of the Hummer's tyre comes up from something solid (ie the ground)at the bottom.

Yes, but if it was two dells on top of each other the same result would probably have occured.......top one wrecked, bottom one not so wrecked. It doesn't show that the apple is any tougher, just luckier to be placed at the bottom.

[egbert]

Yes, but if it was two dells on top of each other the same result would probably have occured.......top one wrecked, bottom one not so wrecked. It doesn't show that the apple is any tougher, just luckier to be placed at the bottom.

Yes - i suspect that the experimental setup in this anecdote is not really a reliable source of info on how crap Dells or Powerbooks are.

(Unlike this forum for example )