Lexicon Vortex emulation?

[zerocrossing]

I actually got my Vortex to sync to a clock. A friend built a cute little device that converted the pulse of an LED to the tap tempo single the Vortex uses. I think Kenton makes something that'll work in a similar way but uses a MIDI clock instead.

as I can read from the manual, the morphing is just presets interpolation isn't it?

"Just presets interpolation" is an understatement. It can morph between different algorithms, e.g., aerosol <-> bleen, which have different processing blocks and routings, and in the middle you get something even crazier than what you're starting with. I'd like a software Vortex for ease of editing and saving presets as well as tempo sync.

[Arksun]

I wonder if the Nebula could be used to sample the Vortex making changes between two presets as that's able to sample time variant stuff.

[annode]

Yeah! Thanks Jack, for taking my $50 for his effect bundle and then releasing them for free a few weeks later. Prince of a guy. At least now I have a nice folder of super crappy sounding VSTs. Download them if you want, but if this guy ever asks a dime for anything I suggest no one buy a thing from him.

FX Jockey looks pretty interesting you have any music you've used it on, ugo?

not yet. i actually only just got it, thanks to jack having reissued it as freeware. it seems like a great idea though. http://www.jackdark.net/darkware.html

-ugo

Are you sure your in the right thread zero?

[annode]

I wonder if the Nebula could be used to sample the Vortex making changes between two presets as that's able to sample time variant stuff.

I may be wrong, and I don't know the vortex sound and algos,wish I did because i'll bet I could get real close using the chainer VSTi/VST.
It appears it will auto morph between any 2 vst insert presets or do random parameter morphing in as many vst inserts as you will need. It lets you write the morphing speed or randomize per insert if i'm correct.
Sounds pretty easy if you ask me.
Insert chainer as a vst in your host,import the .fxb for the vortex emulation you've created and you have vortex in your DAW...if you know how to assemble it in the first place.

EDIT: If i'm reading this right, it appears you can automat morphing variables between all of a VSTs parameters!
Taken from chainer's help;
Randomize/Morph

The Randomize/Morph dialog can be ued to create new plugin presets.

You have the option to randomize all plugin parameters, the parameters that are automated or the parameters that are not automated. If the "Range" check box is checked the parameters will get a random value in a defined range (1-100%) around the old value. If this check box is not checked the parameters get a random value independent from the old value. To apply the randomize function press the "Randomize" button.

To use the morph function do the following: click on the buttons that are initially labled "None" and select two different presets from the popup menus. Alternativly you can assign two random presets by pressing the "Randomize Presets" button. Once that two presets are selected you can use the slider two morph between them.[/quote]

[birrbits]

Sounds pretty easy if you ask me.

it always sounds easier than it is.
In practice I dont think this will give you the same result as the vortex which seems to be doing a combination of interpolation of preset variables and some internal panning between effects chains..

[dry bones]

I have a Vortex manual, which shows and describes the signal routing for every factory preset; if there is anyone actively developing this ( a Mac OSX VST would be excellent ), I am happy to scan and email or photocopy this manual for you.

[annode]

Sounds pretty easy if you ask me.

it always sounds easier than it is.
In practice I dont think this will give you the same result as the vortex which seems to be doing a combination of interpolation of preset variables and some internal panning between effects chains..

Maybe your making sound difficult by using a word like "interpolation".
The chainer sounds very close,(close enough for me) to be able to do a good representation of this vortex bugger.
Read;
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/vo ... specs.html

[annode]

I have a Vortex manual, which shows and describes the signal routing for every factory preset; if there is anyone actively developing this ( a Mac OSX VST would be excellent ), I am happy to scan and email or photocopy this manual for you.

Thanks for offering dry bones. What you should do is,not wait for that to be developed and go make your own. Use chainer...if it runs on your OS, can't be sure.Then load it up with the effects you'll need,then write the morphing automation.
There is a good chainer demo,(no audio record/no save.)

Here's the manual and other cool things on the vortex...which I have never heard...YET...hmmm,youtube?
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/vortex/vortex.html

[birrbits]

Maybe your making sound difficult by using a word like "interpolation".
The chainer sounds very close,(close enough for me) to be able to do a good representation of this vortex bugger.
Read;
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/vo ... specs.html

ok, just trying to give some friendly advice as I have an actual vortex in front of me & I have been working on an emulation using SynthMaker. The delays are in fact, interpolating delays, which really isn't all that fancy of a word.
The schematics are helpful, but as Billy Joel once said 'there's a new band in town but you can't get the sound from a story in a magazine'
If you want to make a morphing effect of some sort, chainer will get you there. If you want to emulate a vortex I think you may have a bit harder time taking that approach.

[ew]

The whole problem with using Chainer is that you can't assign the morph slider or the randomize button to a controller.

You could emulate the Vortex pretty easily with Kore and its sound variations, but that's a fairly expensive solution if that's all you'd use it for...

ew

[justin3am]

You could emulate the Vortex pretty easily with Kore and its sound variations, but that's a fairly expensive solution if that's all you'd use it for...

ew

Really? I was under the impression that the morph pad only applied to the knobs assigned to the Kore controllers. Does it morph through all the parameters in an effect/instrument?

[ew]

You could emulate the Vortex pretty easily with Kore and its sound variations, but that's a fairly expensive solution if that's all you'd use it for...

ew

Really? I was under the impression that the morph pad only applied to the knobs assigned to the Kore controllers. Does it morph through all the parameters in an effect/instrument?

You'd assign the knobs first. You'll have to remember that in the Vortex, there aren't that many parameters that are changing; it's late '80s- early '90s tech. You're maybe changing between 16 parameters total between the two effects...

ew

[justin3am]

When I look at the DSP layout in the Vortex owners manual it seems that it's not just parameter modulation going on. It seems like there also must be a good deal of crossfading between routing configurations. While this could be done in Reaktor I'm having a tough time figuring out how it could be done in Kore. Don't get me wrong, if it can be done I'd like to know1

[ew]

Put them in separate group channels and have the group sends some of the controls being morphed. You might have to have multiple instances of the plugins in multiple groups, though.

ew

[justin3am]

Yeah, I actually started doing just that. If I have time I'll post some results later. Thanks. Heh-heh, Honestly, Kore's flexibility has all but quelled my desired for an Eventide unit.