Someon brought it up in another thread & now I can't stop wondering if such a thing already exists?
My bandmate, a master of analog gear, a luthier, & general handy guy - but computer illiterate - just scored a Vortex & I love it as much as I imagined I would ever since it first came out.
But I am trying to keep all of my gear in the software realm (plus he won't let me have it).
Lexicon Vortex emulation?
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- KVRAF
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
I could (he has awesome mics & pres & all that stuff) but the point of the Vortex for my purposes is that... hmm this is going to be hard to explain.
There's all these weird types of echo presets, incluing some odd FM sound. You can morph between 2 presets you make & set the speed at which it changes from one set of settings to the other AND use an expression pedal to do the same thing live. That is not even remotely deconvolvable.
Though I can imagine some crazy, souped up Rayverb type thing could do that...
Hmm - have you seen Rayverb's 4 settings? If I recall there's "both at once" "mixed A + B" & "crossfade from A to B".
I think the Vortex is what began my (now fairly common) obsession with morphing audio. I've always sought after the strangest effects, preferably with an .way to control them live in performance. I broke my AirFx through dragging it around everywhere, now I have the Midi version in the X25
There's all these weird types of echo presets, incluing some odd FM sound. You can morph between 2 presets you make & set the speed at which it changes from one set of settings to the other AND use an expression pedal to do the same thing live. That is not even remotely deconvolvable.
Though I can imagine some crazy, souped up Rayverb type thing could do that...
Hmm - have you seen Rayverb's 4 settings? If I recall there's "both at once" "mixed A + B" & "crossfade from A to B".
I think the Vortex is what began my (now fairly common) obsession with morphing audio. I've always sought after the strangest effects, preferably with an .way to control them live in performance. I broke my AirFx through dragging it around everywhere, now I have the Midi version in the X25
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- KVRAF
- 4682 posts since 6 Jan, 2003
i was always curious about the vortex. never got to properly try one though.
while not quite the same kind of thing...you might want to try out jack dark's FX Jockey.
oh, and a fun thing to do in the hardware world is to use two kaoss pads at once, either in series or in parallel...one in each hand.
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while not quite the same kind of thing...you might want to try out jack dark's FX Jockey.
oh, and a fun thing to do in the hardware world is to use two kaoss pads at once, either in series or in parallel...one in each hand.
-ugo
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- KVRAF
- 1743 posts since 3 Dec, 2004
I have a Vortex as well, I asked awhile back about software equivalents and have heard of only one so far. It is a reaktor 3 ensemble called Amor. I have heard that it is similiar, but not quite as good as the real thing. I don't have reaktor so I haven't been able to try it out.
I have had my unit (used off ebay) for about a year now & honestly I'm still wrapping my head around it, an expression pedal is a must have. To make matters worse I just picked up an ensoniq dp/2 which is capable of some rather insane sounds as well
I have had my unit (used off ebay) for about a year now & honestly I'm still wrapping my head around it, an expression pedal is a must have. To make matters worse I just picked up an ensoniq dp/2 which is capable of some rather insane sounds as well
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
How'd I miss these replies? I didn't realize I'd posted enough here to have 2 pages of "my posts" links.
2 Kaos pads I wish! My AirFx stopped sending audio out
FX Jockey looks pretty interesting you have any music you've used it on, ugo?
*Edit* This being darkware wouldn't it now be defunct?
*Edit 2* Whoa. Ok I'll try this out. I need to stop huffing paint so I can pay attention again.
2 Kaos pads I wish! My AirFx stopped sending audio out
FX Jockey looks pretty interesting you have any music you've used it on, ugo?
*Edit* This being darkware wouldn't it now be defunct?
*Edit 2* Whoa. Ok I'll try this out. I need to stop huffing paint so I can pay attention again.
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- KVRAF
- 4682 posts since 6 Jan, 2003
the kaoss pads are fun. i was totally enamoured with the concept as soon as i tried it. i bought the first version, then then second when it was released. since the kaoss 2 is much better than the first i considered selling the first one, but i was having fun with both so i kept it and used the two together.runagate wrote:2 Kaos pads I wish! My AirFx stopped sending audio out
i had an AirFX for a while too but i didnt enjoy it quite as much. it sounded cool but i found it harder to control and the sensor range, at least on mine, was very small. i had to be really close to the dome to get it to work.
not yet. i actually only just got it, thanks to jack having reissued it as freeware. it seems like a great idea though. http://www.jackdark.net/darkware.htmlFX Jockey looks pretty interesting you have any music you've used it on, ugo?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
I got the plug-ins & I'm a tad surprised that he released them all for free - but thankful!
I love effects so, so much.
I used AirFx for voice live so that it could be more like a synth, which is what I'm currently doing with VSTs and my Photon X25, with variable results. The coordinate 0,0,0 on my X25 is somewhere off to the right/forward area of the axyz dome, and the led screen has ceased working for no discernable reason, and Alesis doesn't respond to my queries.
Nevertheless I love it. You can't have a bright light anywhere near the thing, though.
I really do seem to remember there being a post about a Vortex emulation when I as a mere lurker but I can't seem to dig it out. I am search-challenged. I figured someone must have made one by now... wait, come to think of it it was a SpaceStation emulation, but not the SpaceStation I was thinking of. There were 2, one was really weird the other was just a quality echo box of some sort.
I love effects so, so much.
I used AirFx for voice live so that it could be more like a synth, which is what I'm currently doing with VSTs and my Photon X25, with variable results. The coordinate 0,0,0 on my X25 is somewhere off to the right/forward area of the axyz dome, and the led screen has ceased working for no discernable reason, and Alesis doesn't respond to my queries.
Nevertheless I love it. You can't have a bright light anywhere near the thing, though.
I really do seem to remember there being a post about a Vortex emulation when I as a mere lurker but I can't seem to dig it out. I am search-challenged. I figured someone must have made one by now... wait, come to think of it it was a SpaceStation emulation, but not the SpaceStation I was thinking of. There were 2, one was really weird the other was just a quality echo box of some sort.
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
Amor for Reaktor is based on the Vortex.
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.p ... atchid=995
(this is the R4 version)
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.p ... atchid=995
(this is the R4 version)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
I don't have Reaktor. You have anything using this effect I can hear?
The Vortex + expression pedal is the first audio morphing effect as far as I know.
The effects which you can morph between are pretty damned idiosyncratic, too - always a good thing in my mind.
The Vortex + expression pedal is the first audio morphing effect as far as I know.
The effects which you can morph between are pretty damned idiosyncratic, too - always a good thing in my mind.
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- KVRian
- 1121 posts since 4 Jun, 2003 from Skanky Manc
Apparantly PSP Nitro was partly inspired by the Vortex. I couldn't tell you how similar they are as i've never used one.
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- KVRist
- 382 posts since 6 Apr, 2005 from Fair NJ, the Garden State, US
I have Nitro and a Vortex, and I can't see where they'd be similar. Nitro is filters, Vortex is delays, basically. Closest thing I can think of in my own plugin collection is camelspace. I've never tried to get one to do what the other does, but I'm not very methodical. I just spin knobs around (or click around with the mouse) til I get a sound I like, and then I print it. I couldn't recreate the vortex sounds I've made on a vortex, let alone on a plugin.
Grist for the glamour mill.
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- KVRian
- 581 posts since 8 Dec, 2004
It might have been me posting about a Vortex emulation. in the hope that AudioDamage would be doing one, as they seem to have the skills to accurately replicate old, desirable & obscenely expensive FX ( keep going Chris, your plugs rock my socks! ). I have a Vortex, which is just lacking a UK mains transformer before I start putting my bass trombone through it... Have a look at the manual on the Lexicon site, it does some insane signal routings.
Coffee please, black, no sugar.
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- KVRAF
- 8705 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
It's not really a Vortex, but just thought I'd remind you that OhmForce FX have preset morphing - you can flick between presets and set a predetermined time for it to program change. Ohmboyz does it (which is a delay) but I must admit it's not always errrmmmm....musical. But it does morph pretty smoothly between some patches, if they're not radically different.
The GRM Tools stuff all does times timed programm changes too. Especially on the comb-filter one, it is capable of some exquisitely organic changes.
From what I remember, the Vortex did reverbs and other stuff too didn't it? Ohmboyz can't do that - but you can get some quite lush choruses, flangers, mod FX etc (as it is a very flexible delay with a bucketload of assignable LFOs), so you can morph between modFX and the more usual delays quite easily.
The GRM Tools stuff all does times timed programm changes too. Especially on the comb-filter one, it is capable of some exquisitely organic changes.
From what I remember, the Vortex did reverbs and other stuff too didn't it? Ohmboyz can't do that - but you can get some quite lush choruses, flangers, mod FX etc (as it is a very flexible delay with a bucketload of assignable LFOs), so you can morph between modFX and the more usual delays quite easily.