KVR Audio

blades · Post by **blades** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:29 pm

'scuse me for butting in but...

But i built the computer myself! I never looked twice on the motherboard box though, and i have no idea what it is. I just want to build and forget.

This would concern me. Though I understand that not everyone WANTS to be a geek, if you're going to go to the trouble of building a machine yourself, you should

a. know what you are doing
b. research every component - after all, this is why you don't usually want a Dell or whatever to start with - you don't know what components are in it.
c. know what you've purchased and why you chose what you did.

Frankly, if you can't recall what the motherboard was that you put in, there's a fair chance that it wasn't anything special and probably has an obscure chipset or something. Maybe you got lucky with a good name-brand board...

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My mistake - didn't see the updates that it was working. Consider the above advice for future readers

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:30 pm

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susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:57 pm

Hi EJo,
thanks for your replies.
Yes, the VSS3 is basically a software M3000 and is head and shoulders above anything else on PC (I did some testing on a friend's machine). However I probably won't ever touch anything made by TC again.
Enough is enough.
I'm pretty sure it won't take that long until we will have a good choice of higher end reverbs in native VST format. Frankfurt is only two weeks away ...
Until then I can very comfortably live with what I have now.
If you're interested, you can find (among others) some very decent VSS3 impulses at http://www.echochamber.ch.
Cheers, susiwong

PS : Don't be p*ssed, nohody wants to insult you in this thread. Some details in your previous posts were a little bit misleading if somebody read them too quick, that's all.

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:53 pm

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susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:58 am

Well, the whole thing about PCs is choice and compatibility. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a onedimensional, monopolistic, apple - shaped world.
Now if someone wants to sell me a big PCI card dongle with a tiny bit of extra computing power, he better make sure that dongle works on my machine. Look at UA, they initially had the exact same problem with dualcores and fixed it asap. In fact those X2 / KT 800 machines are the current DAW mainstream, not Intel. My first AMD, btw, but I don't regret it at all.
So I'm not on a crusade against TC, some of their plugs are fantastic, and I wish all of you TC users the best of luck, they only lost me as a customer. My money will go to companies like UA or Rayzoon, for example, who got a user friendlier idea of customer relations.
Cheers, susiwong

madbaron · Post by **madbaron** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:19 am

There is a timing issue with some apps/drivers with the new dual core processors. What does your boot.ini look like?

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:52 am

wolfbayne,
might be interesting for the future, do you refer to the "pmtimer" entry or is there anything else I should know ?
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boot.ini

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=AlwaysOff /usepmtimer

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Thanks, susiwong

Waynemendozza · Post by **Waynemendozza** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:08 am

I got the Art Accoustic Reverb. Nice One! But what I heard from the CSR demos, I think this should be a major difference and a lot better quality. As usual, I trust in IK to handle CPU Performance very gentle.

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:53 pm

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susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:26 pm

Nothing bad to say about the support people, really. Only time I had to contact them was when selling the card, that went within 24 hrs in a friendly (thanks, Mike N.) way.
What I'm angry about(to put it politely) is, first of all, the buggy hardware and horrible driver support. The showstopper.
Second, I started with my first UAD and the PoCo around the same time. Since then I've received several free UAD plugins, got a very substantial user discount every time something new came out, a "little" gift here and there, all the time while having my cards working 100% and being given the impression to be respected as a customer.
What I got with TC in the same time is nothing (ok, you can't expect gifts, allright), they came out with the Element (because the original PCI was more than two times too expensive) claiming it were the same card with one (arguably bad sounding) plugin, the X3, removed. Since then all they ever did was treat me as a second class customer, gave all others one or more free plugins, basically implying this wasn't a "real" TC product. Hey, there was no talk about that when I bought it. They should have stated "This is a special deal with only limited support" right away, not change the rules after they had my money. Even the upgrade deal to the MK II was priced ridiculously for us Element users.
Add to that demos that fade out every 5 or so seconds, notoriously missed deadlines, a support department which can't be reached by normal mail, flaky registration schemes (without a grace period like NI has) and all the other corporate BS.
Maybe now you understand why the fact that my card has been gathering dust for months now while they released several new products during that period instead of fixing basic functionality has been the final icing on the cake.
Case closed now, back to making music, that's what it's all about !
Cheers, susiwong

discretemachine · Post by **discretemachine** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:44 pm

The new Powercore 2.0 driver fixed all issues on my machine

Sonar 5 PE and Powercore are now the best of friends !

...and the new "20" hour ( effective use )demo system works great !

I used to like UAD-1 for it's compressors. Got them as hardware outboard boxes instead. Thusly, I sold my UAD-1. Never looked back

Keeping my Powercore. I haven't found that many "softies" able to match the Oxford range and the "6000" plug ins...sheer brilliance!

friteuse · Post by **friteuse** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:48 am

discretemachine wrote: Keeping my Powercore. I haven't found that many "softies" able to match the Oxford range and the "6000" plug ins...sheer brilliance!

I have to chime in somewhat and to clear up a bit the prejudge, that with powercore you'd get the "big 6000" plugins.

With reverbs, you just get the VSS3 for powercore which isn't by far as mighty than the VSS4, the big "6000" reverb. The VSS3 was also avaliable on older TC machines (M3000/5000). For me, the VSS3 is good, but not better than some native reverbs. I would prefer the AA to the VSS3 in many cases, especially in 64 bit mode. I even found that the VSS3 sounds more metallic to me than AA. The VSS4 indeed is not really reached yet by any native reverb (though I'm a big fan of AA, and I use it very often instead of the VSS4...).

For mastering, the MD3 is just the little brother of the MD4, which (only) comes with System 6000. MD4 is the state of the art mastering tool from TC, not comparable to any native mastering solutions and not to the MD3.

Sorry for all PoCo users, you don't get the 6000 algorithms, you just get some, that can be run under 6000, too. But the true 6000 effects are and will be privileged to 6000 owners only... at least, I hope so

discretemachine · Post by **discretemachine** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:16 am

I know.

MD4 is sweet

But, unlike you, I think it's a bit sad that TC "save" some algorithms for their 6000 platform....put a hefty price tag on it if you like, just make it available g'damnit !!

Still, I hold the VSS3 and MD3 top of the pile as far as "native" software goes. It rubs me the right way.

maybe I should check out that AA verb tho...

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:44 am

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friteuse · Post by **friteuse** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:45 am

EJo wrote:
Now you're just saying "poco isn't better than native plugs because M6000 is better than poco". It doesn't make sense.
/J

Did I say that? I didn't. I firstly wanted to clarify some misleading statements from few people, who said that with PoCo you would get the "6000" algorithms. As I wrote, this is not true, perhaps partly, but with PoCo you definitly don't get a System 6000.
Then I tried to explain my point of view about the differences between VSS4 and VSS3. Here, I keep on saying that VSS3 is not and in any case better than some native reverbs. For me, this is the AA Reverb, for others W2, ... this is a matter of taste!
Other to the VSS4: this one is really much greater than anything on the native market and than VSS3.

For mastering, maybe I forgot to say that I think the MD3 is great and I don't know any native plugin achieving such a smooth, transparent sound. Herefore, a poco is absolutly worth the money in my eyes. But still, MD4 is just another world. And I wanted to let people know that there's still a difference between PoCo and high end and not let them believe that with PoCo they get all the plugs from 6000.

EJo wrote: I personally don't like AA one bit. Very metallicy, grainy and sounds "small". I like W2 much better, and rverb which i've liked from the start.

/J

As I said above, reverb is a matter of taste. But rverb?? Makes me wonder... maybe you should give the AA another try. All your attributes you gave to it, seem to me like you didn't really checked it out, or you just want to give your opinion more "power", but hey, I don't want to sell you anything here

I just wonder there are so many people around here telling exactly the opposite (like me, too). Just makes me wonder... and rverb? Better than AA? Hmmmmmmm,........

Best plugs to replace my powercore card?