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AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:43 am

brouculy wrote:Hi, AQ,
Today I just bought Poly-Ana and played in my host program, Orion Platinum. I found some problem with Orion Platinum. When I play Poly-Ana, especially with the preset, '106-uni Bass', CPU goes up to 100% then It stops. With some other presets, it goes same. I don't know why.
You can test it with demo-version of Orion Platinum at http://www.synapse-audio.com

Thanks in advance

Hi brouculy, just saw your purchase go though. Thank you.

Will try the Orion demo but it's possible that you're just reaching the CPU limit for your machine. What kind of platform are you on? (please include CPU type, CPU speed, FSB speed, and RAM speed) You can verify by reducing the number of voices used by the "106-Uni Bass" patch. Just turn the Polyphony knob down from 6 (which is a pretty agressive unison polyphony!) to a lower value. 4 should give you pretty much the same sound.

I'm having no problem reaching 6 voice polyphony on my 5 year old P4, 3 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 533 MHz RAM (dual channel 233). In fact, Poly-Ana version 3.0 gives me at least 8 voices. And I'm up to nearly 12 in the upcoming version 0.40. Had hoped to have this out for the end of the week, sorry it's been a bit delayed as I'm adding some new bug fixes to address the stuff marvotron pointed out, above. But the longer wait also means you're getting more features and fixes so hang in there, 0.40 will be out any day now and that may just give you enough performance to play 6 voices at once.

Let me know what your machine spec is, and if there's anything I can do to help. I will get a demo of Orion ASAP and doublecheck that it's not a problem with that host, but I'm guessing it's just CPU use. Do you have any other VST hosts you could try it in to let me know if you get better or worse performance?

Thanks!

brouculy · Post by **brouculy** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:19 am

Thanks, AQ for quick replying.

Yes. I also guess it's not a problem of Poly-Ana and it's only caused by CPU-limit of my old office PC. I reduced unison voices of 106-uni bass from 6 to 3. Then the CPU-loading is nearly 40~50%. My office PC is an old system with P4 1.6Ghz & 512MBs ram. So it might insufficient for computer music work. This office PC is only for document work.

I've not tried Poly-Ana at home. So I'll try it at home. My PC at home is P4 2.8 Ghz with 1.5G RAM. So, I think it will handle it without any problem. Then I'll report it to you again.

Thanks

Xnah · Post by **Xnah** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:47 am

brouculy wrote:Hi, AQ,
Today I just bought Poly-Ana and played in my host program, Orion Platinum. I found some problem with Orion Platinum. When I play Poly-Ana, especially with the preset, '106-uni Bass', CPU goes up to 100% then It stops. With some other presets, it goes same. I don't know why. However other case it works fine and it sounds great.

This is a feature of Orion Platinum. btw you should set the cpu protection to 80% or so

. It happens to me a lot, when I have a project with a decent amount of VSTi's (e.g. a couple of Zebra's or Albino's will do the trick too). I haven't used Poly-Ana in Orion yet, only in eXT, where I could see the heavy cpu usage as well. And AFAIK it's a known issue of Poly-Ana

.

I can try to replicate the problem later today, but it doesn't sound surprising.

brouculy · Post by **brouculy** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:30 pm

I tried Poly-Ana with my home PC and had no prblem with it.
There're no CPU-limit hit...etc.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:29 pm

brouculy wrote:I tried Poly-Ana with my home PC and had no prblem with it.
There're no CPU-limit hit...etc.

Great news. That office CPU was probably a little low spec for an audio machine.

It's not so much the CPU speed, as the Front Side Bus speed, that's the number I always try to find out... the oldest P4s can be on a 233 MHz FSB, which is pretty slow compared to today's machines -- my 5 year old box is 533 MHz FSB, and 800 and 1066 systems are common these days.

Thanks brouculy!

brouculy · Post by **brouculy** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:43 am

Yes. That's right, AQ. I also think so.
I'm here adding some comment on my case in order to give the reference for the people who have question for the system and the case related to Orion Platinum. As I already mentioned, my home PC is 3 years old P4 2.8GHZ with 1.5G RAM, and ESI Juli@ audio interface card. I'm using Orion Platinum as a sequencer host. With Poly-Ana, it can run without any trouble even in 8X over-sampling mode. It may also require to increase the CPU-limit hit in the option of Orion Platinum. But in my case I just left it as default and have no problem with it.
P.S.: I think Poly-Ana can easily resemble the synth bass sounds or lead sound of early Yamaha CS synths like CS-5, CS-10, CS-15. That's why I purchased Poly-Ana too.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:53 am

Thanks very much for the report brouculy!

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:56 pm

Beta 0.40 is out! http://www.admiralquality.com/products/Poly-Ana/

2 big changes:

MIDI guitarists can add Poly-Ana to the very short list of softsynths that directly support control by MIDI guitar controllers in Mono mode across 6 separate MIDI channels. Each string gets it's own dedicated mono-synth voice on a unique channel. This allows you to bend strings individually, play duplicate notes, and other possibilities that are unique to guitar controllers. Set Poly-Ana to Unison, and 1 or 2 voice Polyphony, set your MIDI guitar controller to "Mono" mode and select to send on MIDI channels 1-6, and make sure Poly-Ana's PitchBend Range matches your guitar controller. Poly-Ana will automatically add extra mono-synths to play incoming MIDI notes on additional channels! Very cool, check out the demo of KVR's krraqk playing two lines on guitar, rendered by two instances of Poly-Ana: http://www.admiralquality.com/products/ ... arts03.mp3

And... she's using approximately HALF the CPU power that the original Beta 0.10 release used, just this last October. This was a milestone I was hoping but not promising we'd cross before the 1.0 release, so it's great to have made it. But expect that number to keep improving even more, thoughout the product lifetime.

Changes:

0.40 - 2007-01-12

-More performance optimizations. CPU load reduced to approximately 50% of version 0.10.
-Support for MIDI guitar control in "Mono" mode over 6 MIDI channels.
-Fixed bug in Envelope 3.
-Fixed Quality and MIDI CC settings not being recalled with program/project.
-Fixed MIDI CC dropdown height.

http://www.admiralquality.com/products/Poly-Ana/

brouculy · Post by **brouculy** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:01 am

Great! I'll go download the new version and will try it.

. Thanks for the update.

kingtubby · Post by **kingtubby** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:28 pm

Is there a known problem with the filter when set to -12db/oct? If I set the res to around 50% or more, then turn up the cutoff over half way it makes some erratic noisy sounds. It's the same on both filters.

Edit: Also, the CFM/RM mod should be at zero.

Mart.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:37 pm

kingtubby wrote:Is there a known problem with the filter when set to -12db/oct? If I set the res to around 50% or more, then turn up the cutoff over half way it makes some erratic noisy sounds. It's the same on both filters.

Edit: Also, the CFM/RM mod should be at zero.

Mart.

Ah. Yes you're right, I'm hearing that too. This is a known issue with this filter design, happens in -24 dB/Oct mode too when certain values exceed certain ranges so there's limits built in to prevent it. Looks like the limit values for -12 dB/Oct still need some tweaking though. Will address this in the next release.

Thanks for the report!

autodafe · Post by **autodafe** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:42 pm

Hi Admiral,
i see that your work on PolyAna is improving..

Could you send an email to P.A. users when new versions are uploaded? (it's getting hard to check this thread often for me...) cheers

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:56 pm

autodafe wrote:Hi Admiral,
i see that your work on PolyAna is improving..

Could you send an email to P.A. users when new versions are uploaded? (it's getting hard to check this thread often for me...) cheers

You can always just pop into the http://www.admiralquality.com/ site and just check the current version number. But you're right, we really should email the customers about updates. There's quite a bit of customer database work that needs to be done actually, but until 1.0 comes out product development is the priority.

Also thought about a check for updates feature in the plug-in.

So yes, eventually we'll do this but might not get it going before the launch of 1.0. We're almost there though!

luxth · Post by **luxth** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:59 pm

I have to congratulate with you guys for the effective performance improvement from 0.30 to 0.40.
0.40 is way less demanding as cpu.

Btw, just put down a fast and very short track with everything Poly-ana except drums and conga. Intentionally avoided applying any compression/limiting to the mix and synths.

Polysense

Luca

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:11 pm

Nice one Luca! Can we use it on the site?

Sending you a PM...

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