I just installed Ivory and the Italian Grand on my Receptor PRO Jr. It took about four hours (between two loads of laundry) to complete.
The samples took about 30 mins each to copy from an external hard drive to Receptor. Then it took a while to use Ivory Library Tools to check, verify, and convert the files. I used the Receptor Remote for the entire process and was kind of leery when I ran the check files. The screen just went grey in the Setup menu for almost 20 minutes before displaying the options again. Same thing when I selected verify. However, the convert files came back in a few seconds. Did anyone else encounter this when installing? I wish they put a "fuel guage" or some sort of progress indicator rather than just graying out the screen. Anyways, after hanging up the laundry, I authorized Ivory and was off to the races. The Italian Grand sounds quite bright and majestic. I plan to compare Ivory with NI Akoustic Piano. Later on I may add to the piano collection with Modart Pianoteq, Art Visa, and RealPiano to build a "mega grand piano" collection. Anyways, it was a lengthy task, but well worth the time. I'm putting my Receptor into a rack gig back and will take it down to a club to sit in with some friends who have a lounge gig.
Ivory Italian Grand Receptorized yet?
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- KVRist
- 223 posts since 2 Dec, 2006 from Minnesota
I installed mine earlier this week. It took about two hours to install Italian Grand - no laundry, no wonder I don't have any socks to wear 
Ivory was already installed on my Receptor. I agree that it would be nice to have a progress indicator. I also agree that the install is well worth the time 
Tom B
Ivory was already installed on my Receptor. I agree that it would be nice to have a progress indicator. I also agree that the install is well worth the time Tom B
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 18 Dec, 2006 from NE US
Reviving this older thread, as I am one of those considering buying a Recptr
to run Ivory live. I dont read about a lot of problems anywhere running Ivory..are there any users here running Ivory on the Pro Jr in a live situation that can compare running it on the standard? Looks like both are maxed at 2gb ram, so we're basically looking at the upgraded cpu. I would also like to utilize K2/Scarbee products, although I already have good Rhodes, now if I could get Miroslav onto a gig, that would be great, but I would actually simply love being able to use Ivory w/out it hanging notes and the little quirks that happen occasionally while on my Mac. Im talking about heavy piano usage, lot of pedal work, main axe situation. I recently added the Italian grand, which I really like, although Expressive D is the bomb. So if any of you heavy Ivory users can add to this already great thread, I would really appt it.
to run Ivory live. I dont read about a lot of problems anywhere running Ivory..are there any users here running Ivory on the Pro Jr in a live situation that can compare running it on the standard? Looks like both are maxed at 2gb ram, so we're basically looking at the upgraded cpu. I would also like to utilize K2/Scarbee products, although I already have good Rhodes, now if I could get Miroslav onto a gig, that would be great, but I would actually simply love being able to use Ivory w/out it hanging notes and the little quirks that happen occasionally while on my Mac. Im talking about heavy piano usage, lot of pedal work, main axe situation. I recently added the Italian grand, which I really like, although Expressive D is the bomb. So if any of you heavy Ivory users can add to this already great thread, I would really appt it.
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Bryan@MuseResearch Bryan@MuseResearch https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9067
- MUSEician
- 618 posts since 18 Sep, 2003 from Silicon Valley
[quote="ADino"]Reviving this older thread, as I am one of those considering buying a Recptr
to run Ivory live. I dont read about a lot of problems anywhere running Ivory..are there any users here running Ivory on the Pro Jr in a live situation that can compare running it on the standard? Looks like both are maxed at 2gb ram, so we're basically looking at the upgraded cpu. I would also like to utilize K2/Scarbee products, although I already have good Rhodes, now if I could get Miroslav onto a gig, that would be great, but I would actually simply love being able to use Ivory w/out it hanging notes and the little quirks that happen occasionally while on my Mac. Im talking about heavy piano usage, lot of pedal work, main axe situation. I recently added the Italian grand, which I really like, although Expressive D is the bomb. So if any of you heavy Ivory users can add to this already great thread, I would really appt it.[/quote]
Just a quick clarification: the only difference between the PRO Jr. and the PRO is the drive size. Not everyone needs the 750GB hard drive (composers and sound designers mostly) so we offer the 400 GB drive in the PRO Jr. as an alternative. Same processor. Same RAM. Same performance. Different price.
There are a LOT of pianists using Receptor with Ivory, and especially with their new update and version 1.6 software, I've heard of zero reported problems.
Cheers
Groovology
to run Ivory live. I dont read about a lot of problems anywhere running Ivory..are there any users here running Ivory on the Pro Jr in a live situation that can compare running it on the standard? Looks like both are maxed at 2gb ram, so we're basically looking at the upgraded cpu. I would also like to utilize K2/Scarbee products, although I already have good Rhodes, now if I could get Miroslav onto a gig, that would be great, but I would actually simply love being able to use Ivory w/out it hanging notes and the little quirks that happen occasionally while on my Mac. Im talking about heavy piano usage, lot of pedal work, main axe situation. I recently added the Italian grand, which I really like, although Expressive D is the bomb. So if any of you heavy Ivory users can add to this already great thread, I would really appt it.[/quote]
Just a quick clarification: the only difference between the PRO Jr. and the PRO is the drive size. Not everyone needs the 750GB hard drive (composers and sound designers mostly) so we offer the 400 GB drive in the PRO Jr. as an alternative. Same processor. Same RAM. Same performance. Different price.
There are a LOT of pianists using Receptor with Ivory, and especially with their new update and version 1.6 software, I've heard of zero reported problems.
Cheers
Groovology
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 18 Dec, 2006 from NE US
THks for the info Groove, Im hip about the hdd sizes, what I meant to ask was, the difference in running Ivory on the PRO JR as compared to a STANDARD REV C unit... the cpu, now correct me if Im wrong, is an upgrade in the Pro Jr from the standard unit...so Im looking at if there is better performance running a Pro Jr as compared to the Standard Recptor w/Ivory...
Also, is there a way to load samples from Macs, or does it have to be done on pc? I understand the whole vst/au thing, but looking thru the threads, thought I saw something to this effect.
Also, is there a way to load samples from Macs, or does it have to be done on pc? I understand the whole vst/au thing, but looking thru the threads, thought I saw something to this effect.
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- KVRist
- 387 posts since 24 Aug, 2004
I have a Rev. B, and I can't imagine Ivory running any better than it does.ADino wrote:THks for the info Groove, Im hip about the hdd sizes, what I meant to ask was, the difference in running Ivory on the PRO JR as compared to a STANDARD REV C unit... the cpu, now correct me if Im wrong, is an upgrade in the Pro Jr from the standard unit...so Im looking at if there is better performance running a Pro Jr as compared to the Standard Recptor w/Ivory...
Also, is there a way to load samples from Macs, or does it have to be done on pc? I understand the whole vst/au thing, but looking thru the threads, thought I saw something to this effect.
It is flawless and glitch free.
Oh yeah - you can load from macs-as long as you have Receptor Remote on your mac.
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 18 Dec, 2006 from NE US
Really??? Thats great news..what is Receptor Remote? I use a ppc G5 2.5 in my studio, 6 GB ram, and Ivory at times has a few glitches, so to realize that it runs so well on a unit that uses 2 GB ram is amazing to me.
Thx for the info, it IS extremely helpful and I do appt it..
A.
Thx for the info, it IS extremely helpful and I do appt it..
A.
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Hi ADino,
Receptor Remote is simply a Mac/PC program that gives you control of the Receptor interface (instead of directly hooking up a monitor/keyboard to receptor).
For copying Ivory files, I think Phil means 'mounting Receptor's HD on your Mac/PC' such that Receptor's HD appears on your Mac (as if it were another HD attached to your Mac). With this, you can directly copy files from the Mac onto your Receptor's HD. This way, you could move all of Ivory's data files from your Mac installation (on your Mac HD) over to the Receptor HD (instead of from CD/DVD). This makes installation on Receptor much faster.
There are a few ways to mount the Receptor's HD on the Mac. I typically set the Receptor to a fixed IP address (instead of using DHCP). Then on the Mac, I do the menu command 'Go->Connect to Server...'. This brings up a dialog box where you would type in the url: smb://aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd (where aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is your IP address). This will bring up a login screen (I don't change any of the login names/PW. I just hit OK). After the login screen, the Receptor's HD should appear as an icon on your mac desktop.
Hope this helps, Regards,
Kevin L
Receptor Remote is simply a Mac/PC program that gives you control of the Receptor interface (instead of directly hooking up a monitor/keyboard to receptor).
For copying Ivory files, I think Phil means 'mounting Receptor's HD on your Mac/PC' such that Receptor's HD appears on your Mac (as if it were another HD attached to your Mac). With this, you can directly copy files from the Mac onto your Receptor's HD. This way, you could move all of Ivory's data files from your Mac installation (on your Mac HD) over to the Receptor HD (instead of from CD/DVD). This makes installation on Receptor much faster.
There are a few ways to mount the Receptor's HD on the Mac. I typically set the Receptor to a fixed IP address (instead of using DHCP). Then on the Mac, I do the menu command 'Go->Connect to Server...'. This brings up a dialog box where you would type in the url: smb://aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd (where aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is your IP address). This will bring up a login screen (I don't change any of the login names/PW. I just hit OK). After the login screen, the Receptor's HD should appear as an icon on your mac desktop.
Hope this helps, Regards,
Kevin L
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- KVRist
- 387 posts since 24 Aug, 2004
Yes, what Kevin said. Sorry about my misleading statement.looneytunes wrote:Hi ADino,
Receptor Remote is simply a Mac/PC program that gives you control of the Receptor interface (instead of directly hooking up a monitor/keyboard to receptor).
For copying Ivory files, I think Phil means 'mounting Receptor's HD on your Mac/PC' such that Receptor's HD appears on your Mac (as if it were another HD attached to your Mac). With this, you can directly copy files from the Mac onto your Receptor's HD. This way, you could move all of Ivory's data files from your Mac installation (on your Mac HD) over to the Receptor HD (instead of from CD/DVD). This makes installation on Receptor much faster.
There are a few ways to mount the Receptor's HD on the Mac. I typically set the Receptor to a fixed IP address (instead of using DHCP). Then on the Mac, I do the menu command 'Go->Connect to Server...'. This brings up a dialog box where you would type in the url: smb://aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd (where aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is your IP address). This will bring up a login screen (I don't change any of the login names/PW. I just hit OK). After the login screen, the Receptor's HD should appear as an icon on your mac desktop.
Hope this helps, Regards,
Kevin L
Receptor Remote is the program to bring the Receptor GUI up on your desktop. You should install this as well, as you will need it to authorize the sample set after copying it over - plus, you basically just need it in general. It is a free download.
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 18 Dec, 2006 from NE US
So the Rectpr GUI (Remote) itself is pc/Mac compatible? I run FW drives for backup/audio etc....I run Ivory itself off Internal 1, but I have all of my samples on a 2nd internal, so seeing the Rec HDD shouldnt be a problem...
So your running an ether (RJ45) from Mac to Rec...does that involve the Uniwire situation? Im thinking Uniwire is Muse name for networking??
Makes sense to directly install (mac to Rec)especially given the size of Ivory and the Ital grand...but excuse my ignorance on the networking stuff, Ive found that to understand Recptr takes a bit of rethinking traditional stuff.
I know that Muse would install this at a $$, and a small one, but to own a Rec you must have the ability and capability to do what you both described is essential..
Thank you both, A.
So your running an ether (RJ45) from Mac to Rec...does that involve the Uniwire situation? Im thinking Uniwire is Muse name for networking??
Makes sense to directly install (mac to Rec)especially given the size of Ivory and the Ital grand...but excuse my ignorance on the networking stuff, Ive found that to understand Recptr takes a bit of rethinking traditional stuff.
I know that Muse would install this at a $$, and a small one, but to own a Rec you must have the ability and capability to do what you both described is essential..
Thank you both, A.
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Hi again,
Yes - Receptor Remote comes in Mac and PC flavors.
Regarding mounting the Receptor HD on your mac/pc, you only need to do this when you are transferring/copying files. For normal operations, Ivory runs self-sufficiently on Receptor (unconnected to any PC).
Uniwire is something else entirely. Think of Uniwire as a vsti plugin that runs on your host DAW (ie. within DP or Logic or Pro Tools). Uniwire allows 2-way transfer of Audio and Midi between your Mac/PC DAW and receptor - instead of resampling the audio output of Receptor, or doing ADAT/SPDIF transfers through a digital interface. Instead, Uniwire packages Audio/MIDI through a standard (fast) ethernet connection between your receptor and your DAW. From within your DAW, you would instantiate Uniwire plugin on your channel(s), and through this plugin, you'd be assigning Receptor channels to your DAW channels.
So in summary, these are the various network SW interfaces to receptor:
Samba/IP - allows you to mount Receptors HD on your PC for file transfer
Receptor Remote - allows you to control Receptors Interface (mixer, configuration) remotely from your PC
Uniwire - allows you to assign channels from your DAW to Receptor, and transfer audio/MIDI over ethernet.
Hope this makes things a bit clearer. Regards,
Kevin L
Yes - Receptor Remote comes in Mac and PC flavors.
Regarding mounting the Receptor HD on your mac/pc, you only need to do this when you are transferring/copying files. For normal operations, Ivory runs self-sufficiently on Receptor (unconnected to any PC).
Uniwire is something else entirely. Think of Uniwire as a vsti plugin that runs on your host DAW (ie. within DP or Logic or Pro Tools). Uniwire allows 2-way transfer of Audio and Midi between your Mac/PC DAW and receptor - instead of resampling the audio output of Receptor, or doing ADAT/SPDIF transfers through a digital interface. Instead, Uniwire packages Audio/MIDI through a standard (fast) ethernet connection between your receptor and your DAW. From within your DAW, you would instantiate Uniwire plugin on your channel(s), and through this plugin, you'd be assigning Receptor channels to your DAW channels.
So in summary, these are the various network SW interfaces to receptor:
Samba/IP - allows you to mount Receptors HD on your PC for file transfer
Receptor Remote - allows you to control Receptors Interface (mixer, configuration) remotely from your PC
Uniwire - allows you to assign channels from your DAW to Receptor, and transfer audio/MIDI over ethernet.
Hope this makes things a bit clearer. Regards,
Kevin L
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- KVRian
- 691 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Silicon Valley
Oops, 1 more thing to mention:
Samba/IP - these are regular network services built-in to your Mac/PC and Receptor OS
Receptor Remote - you download this from muse onto your Mac/PC. It is a simple application
Uniwire - this is a VSTi plugin for your Mac/PC that you download from muse as well.
Regards,
Kevin L
Samba/IP - these are regular network services built-in to your Mac/PC and Receptor OS
Receptor Remote - you download this from muse onto your Mac/PC. It is a simple application
Uniwire - this is a VSTi plugin for your Mac/PC that you download from muse as well.
Regards,
Kevin L
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- KVRist
- 39 posts since 4 Jul, 2007
ADino wrote:Really??? Thats great news..what is Receptor Remote? I use a ppc G5 2.5 in my studio, 6 GB ram, and Ivory at times has a few glitches, so to realize that it runs so well on a unit that uses 2 GB ram is amazing to me.
Thx for the info, it IS extremely helpful and I do appt it..
A.
I too was using a G5, with a dual 2.5 processor, 4gigs of ram, and 7200 rpm external drives with Ivory. I don't think I ever made it over 24 Ivory voices at 64ms latency with an RME Fireface 800 and still had occasional clicks and pops that were extremely annoying. This was with an 8 layer piano.
On the receptor, C revision with 2 gigs of ram, I can run at 64ms latency with over 50 Ivory voices and no clicks or pops, ever. On the 12 layer piano!
Plus, I can stack other VST's such as Scarbee's awesome Rhodes and Wurli's (KGB), with the VKFX vintage effects, NI's B4, Atmosphere, a couple instances of Zebra2, Native Instruments Pro53, and Cameleon 5000. I can play two to four of these at the same time and not overload the cpu. It's amazing.
I took a leap of faith at last year's Namm show when I met Bryan (Groovology). I had thought about putting together a multiple computer setup as the specs on the Receptor seemed outdated and I didn't want to be tied to a box that would become obsolete. After he explained to me the many man years of development on the operating system to create an extremely low latency environment and the optimization of the crucial chip cache, I decided not to give up on my receptor.
I couldn't be happier with my decision. There's no way my old G5 or Macbook Pro (with dual 2gig, 2gig ram, 7200 internal drive and esata 7200 external drives) could do what the Receptor does. Plus, I can use my laptop for a few more soft synths and recording. It's a great combination live or at home.
It took some effort setting everything up and there were many times I questioned my investment. But fortunately, the staff at Muse are awesome. Torin and Rick provide the best customer support I have experienced from any company. Almost always available instantly, patient, and able to walk me through any hurdles.
Pretty much the opposite of NI who take 20-40 minutes to answer the phone and inevitably don't answer the question enough to fix my problem. My Kore sits on the shelf unused.
As much as you will find people on the board who hoped their Receptor might do a bit more, I think you will find many owners like me who realize that the Receptor is a unique product that allows a musician to do things that just aren't possible with computer hardware and software environments yet.
Thanks again, Bryan.
Will
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- KVRist
- 65 posts since 18 Dec, 2006 from NE US
1st of all, thank you for the detailed reply....its great...
It is interesting in the fact that u r running (stacking)
samples plus Ivory
at the same time. I would be pleased to be able to run Ivory glitch free.
When I say glitch free, Im talking about playing in a live situation, piano,
lots of it, jazz groups, solo stuff, heavy piano, lot of pedal work..really beating the snot out of it. I dont look to use that many synth sounds as I do a few modules for diff things. I would primarily be looking to run Ivory and Scarbee. Anything else realistically, is a bonus...but to be able to really stack, say an Atmo pad w/Ivory or Scarbee, thats scarey. And if they ever supported Miroslav? Ivory stacked w/Miro? Go away....but again..its not nec..give me Stway or Ital grand..live..on my gigs..w/no problems...I would look for that to be a realistic situation, especially on say, the Pro Jr..running Ivory only. And if the factory set it up or installed it, one wouldnt have to mess w/it, could use it while actually learning the unit for future sample installation or uses.
Thats where I read about users having problems w/Ivory/Rec..when they have too many samples loaded w/Ivory, or they send too many commands at the same time, not allowing the cpu to complete its tasks, and things get a bit jammed.
NI has support?
Again, thx for the info, it is so helpful, as this is a big decision. No, its not the $$. The drive to express is a powerful thing..
It is interesting in the fact that u r running (stacking)
samples plus Ivory
at the same time. I would be pleased to be able to run Ivory glitch free.
When I say glitch free, Im talking about playing in a live situation, piano,
lots of it, jazz groups, solo stuff, heavy piano, lot of pedal work..really beating the snot out of it. I dont look to use that many synth sounds as I do a few modules for diff things. I would primarily be looking to run Ivory and Scarbee. Anything else realistically, is a bonus...but to be able to really stack, say an Atmo pad w/Ivory or Scarbee, thats scarey. And if they ever supported Miroslav? Ivory stacked w/Miro? Go away....but again..its not nec..give me Stway or Ital grand..live..on my gigs..w/no problems...I would look for that to be a realistic situation, especially on say, the Pro Jr..running Ivory only. And if the factory set it up or installed it, one wouldnt have to mess w/it, could use it while actually learning the unit for future sample installation or uses.
Thats where I read about users having problems w/Ivory/Rec..when they have too many samples loaded w/Ivory, or they send too many commands at the same time, not allowing the cpu to complete its tasks, and things get a bit jammed.
NI has support?
Again, thx for the info, it is so helpful, as this is a big decision. No, its not the $$. The drive to express is a powerful thing..