yrg thread

[Maruuk]

Lag is a huge deal. Anything that has to read pitch and do the conversion has lag. All those $1,000+ Roland rigs have lag, especially on the lower strings that require extra ms to read the pitch. Only a true instant switching system like the YRG has no lag. That's a huge advantage, but you do lose various aspects of expression that way--thus the rather mechanical-sounding performances in the demos.

My interest is only in accurate inputting into a sequencer to drive soft samplers and synths. Once in I can autocorrect all the midi data. And I suspect it can do that fairly well. I doubt it's going to work well for live performance though. That sax jam showed it's clunkiness in live work.

[wrs]

That sax jam was a joke. It would be nice to hear it put to the test by a competent player for once. And midi not internal.

[glokraw]

That sax jam was a joke. It would be nice to hear it put to the test by a competent player for once. And midi not internal.

It was a music teacher and a salesman having fun at a trade show.
You were expecting Coltrane and Clapton?

[saturninus]

This was one of the best things at the past NAMM.

[bigcraigie_1]

I think what we'd all like to see is one of these things in the hands of a good guitarist using some decent VST's such as Omnisphere, EWQL etc That is the one thing we haven't seen from them yet.

So far all we have seen is some basic sounds from Garageband. Never used it I must admit, but I'd imagine the synths that come with it aren't up to the quality of the many third party VST's out there.

As for the internal sounds they keep "showcasing", I've heard better from a Casio keyboard I once found in a Christmas cracker!!!!! Why are they even bothering???

Speaking of Xmas, if you've looked the YouRock up in Youtube recently, you'll see they had the decency to make sure Santa Claus was the first to receive one

Anyway, I've had some good news regarding my order. The company distributing them here in the UK contacted me to say they are back ordering, so I'm right at the top of the list. Should be the first in the UK to own one. Can't wait.

[MisterAcoustic]

I think what we'd all like to see is one of these things in the hands of a good guitarist using some decent VST's such as Omnisphere, EWQL etc That is the one thing we haven't seen from them yet.

So far all we have seen is some basic sounds from Garageband. Never used it I must admit, but I'd imagine the synths that come with it aren't up to the quality of the many third party VST's out there. ...

If you watch the video I posted, the gentleman can play. Granted, he doesn't shred, or go crazy on it, but he can play.

Also, in that video, he seems to be using sounds from the computer, and the velocity sensitivity is evident. I don't know whether it was Garage Band, but I don't think that it was. The sounds weren't that hot, but most (or all in that video - there were three, and I've lost track...) of the sounds were NOT internal.

For me, the important things are: Midi tracking, general playability, and midi velocity.

I'm dying to get an opinion on the You Rock Guitar from someone who owns or has played a Yamaha ez-ag (comparing them as midi controllers). If anyone at Inspired Instruments is reading this - please, find someone to do that, thanks

[annode]

Ok...I see there has been some activity while I was away. I'm the op.
I can see there has been some advancement and some further smoke screening.
It's good to see some ppl can see through it.

I'll try to put the facts in a nut shell for the others.
- any internally generated sounds that are being produced by the YRG are NOT producing midi data necessarily. More likely the internal sounds are from direct electronic switching.
- Midi guitar controllers inherently have trouble producing believable,accurate midi data when picking a string back and forth as in staccato.It appears to me the YRG, since it is NOT needing to convert guitar string audio signals into digital data like with the midi pickups in other midi guitar conversion methods, does not have to deal with this problem, eliminating tracking errors,conversion lag, and other problems
I have only watched this picking style demonstrated in 2 videos....one old vid with Matthias playing the Mozart piece Kevin referred to earlier.


And in this "fish" vid. He solo picks for a short period.


Back and forth picking appears to be tracking well when Matthias lays down the melody.
It appears that the piano VSTi note sustains until he removes his finger from the fretboard, or after the note dissolves, whichever comes first. This is important. It means that the software will not send a midi note off message until the note is released by removing your finger from the fret. It is as if the guitar string were able to sound continuously after a single strike. In essence, every note is in "hold" mode until another note on that same string is struck,or the finger is removed...sending a midi-off message. (this appears to be a default polyphonic mode, but I can not be sure for a fact. I don't actually have the guitar.)
If this is true,this makes the guitar act as keyboards do. With some of the other midi guitar methods,the note only holds as long as the string sounds,(or less). A hold foot-switch is provided for, but still the note/chord will hold until the switch is released. (not cool at all)

Variable velocity was claimed to be available in the guitar settings.
I don't see it covered in my version of the owner manual PDF.
Without velocity the above would always be true....just the "on-off" of notes.
Whether the guitar has or can have control of the entire velocity envelope will have to be seen.
If not, it is up to the VSTi or midi velocity MFX plug-in within our hosts.


- It is too bad I had to scratch and scream in this thread for this long in order to get Kevin and maybe 2 other colleagues to come by. I directed Kevin here some time ago.
He asked me if I would be up to making a vid. I wrote back agreeing to it, but never got a reply. If I had made a vid, it would have addressed all the questions that we in this nitch of virtual music creation need to see ... besides the one Matthias vid where he plays a short Bach melody and when he holds a single note when saying he's using the Garage Band piano. This was all Kevin gave me in order to support his product in this thread, and that's all he's giving us.
It's clear to me he doesn't have any respect for this market, our market...so beware.
I'll by it, because it works well enough if not excellently, as far as I can see.
Let's see if the guitars come to those 1st in line as promised. Saying there will be thousands of them around the world,by the end of this month, quoting Kevin above, doesn't mean the same thing.

Now that they are watching this thread, i'd like to have this issue defined and clarified;

"We offer a refund on returned products ordered from the YouRockGuitar.com store within 30 days of the date of purchase.
We cannot accept returns of certain items, including:
- Any product that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap)."

This seems to be saying in essence, if you open it, you bought it, no exception.
Will you be sticking to this warranty?

[Maruuk]

Are they ever going to ship these things before they drive the price up to $500??? Unobtanium tends to be a very expensive commodity.

[annode]

Are they ever going to ship these things before they drive the price up to $500??? Unobtanium tends to be a very expensive commodity.

In the beginning, soon after NAMM making orders through the "Inspired" site would place you in a 1st come 1st serve position at the frozen cost of $179.
If you missed that opportunity your now in the $199 bracket. Seems all fare to me.

It's just a matter of time...which isn't always predictable when a new product is in the final stages of development.
What aggravated me so much was the lack of "useful" communication from the company.
To answer your question...$199 is not $500.
$500 would get you a shaky midi converter and pickup system from Roland. Without the guitar mind-you. haha

[Maruuk]

Let us not forget the original promise of $149 from the company. Slip slidin' away. I placed an order wayyyy back in the beginning, in the first week of signing up. Far as I know the company has heaved those orders into the round file.

If it works as advertised at $199, then the only current competitor would be the Yamaha EG/AG series which really doesn't work right driving sequencers or midi tones--it requires a complicated software driver that needs to be tweaked extensively to filter out spurious note-ons and offs. Forget it.

What are they saying now, Summer?

[annode]

Let us not forget the original promise of $149 from the company. Slip slidin' away. I placed an order wayyyy back in the beginning, in the first week of signing up. Far as I know the company has heaved those orders into the round file.

If it works as advertised at $199, then the only current competitor would be the Yamaha EG/AG series which really doesn't work right driving sequencers or midi tones--it requires a complicated software driver that needs to be tweaked extensively to filter out spurious note-ons and offs. Forget it.

What are they saying now, Summer?

WOW! $149. Yeah, I guess I missed that. I ordered 2/7/10.
Your order will be honored i'm sure...and for the $149 introduction cost.
Hold onto that order receipt! If you lost it, it's on file at inspire.

Yeah, YRG will blow eg/ag out of the water.
Kevin says, and I paraphrase...
- There will be thousands of YRGs around the world by the end of this month.
What i'd like to hear is..."there will be a YRG in my lap by the end of this month."

[Maruuk]

I'll settle for a MILF in my lap at this point. In the very beginning, they just let you sign up for one without any advance payment and they would "put your order in in the order they received them". I'm sure they've blown off all those "orders" by now and are just honoring guys who put actual money down. I've never heard from them again after placing my "order". This company's pretty flaky. I shudder to think if we need warranty repairs.

[wrs]

I just got a Yamaha G10 which blows it away! I wish you guys luck and hope yrg is good.

[Maruuk]

Original list price was $2500. Hope you paid less for it! Quite an amazing device that scanned optically at the speed of light. I can live with lags like that!

[annode]

I just got a Yamaha G10 which blows it away! I wish you guys luck and hope yrg is good.

Do tell. Where did you find it? How much? I can't find any good data on it anywhere.
Can you post some good links if you know any?

Thanks.