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[Prunesquallor]

This release is great news! So that's why Largo didn't get a PPG filter...

there is no such thing as a ppg filter , its analog filter was a solid state music chip , similar to those in korg's polysix or prophet 5 rev 2, ppg's own modelled filter were only implied on their modular systems , the 1009, sonic carrier and the 340

Yeah, it was the SSM2044 chip used in the Korg Polysix, Korg Mono/Poly, Fairlight II, PPG Wave 2.2 and 2.3, Emu SP-1200, Siel DK600, Siel Opera 6, and now available in the Doepfer A-105 filter module, but I didn't want to get all pernickety.

[Buka]

will i be able to load my own samples and make unique wavetables..thats waveterm for isnt it?

thing like that would sell this product!


can wait to demo it....

cheers!

[jens]

will i be able to load my own samples and make unique wavetables..thats waveterm for isnt it?

as has been mentioned the answer is 'yes' - Waveterm-functionality will be included.

[Ingonator]

I just discovered two sounds which i got for PPG Wave 2.V, Kontakt 4 (samples from Hollow Sun) and Waldorf Largo (reprogrammed from PPG 2.V). I'll try to make demo mp3s for comparison.

BTW does anyone have a hint how to make MP3 posted here directly playable (like most people seem to do)? At Rapidshare i only know how to post a link for direct download of the whole file.
I'm tying to build an own website but i'm still at the beginning.

[paladium]

will i be able to load my own samples and make unique wavetables..thats waveterm for isnt it?

as has been mentioned the answer is 'yes' - Waveterm-functionality will be included.

not confirmed at all , i suspect NO , you will be just able to load a sample
and run it through the 8 or 12 bit mode with filtering and envelopping, in that case it isnt a real wavetable like in the original 2.3 it just simulates the 2.3 linear ram bank playing modes, the original ppg had 2 modes , mode 1 just play a full sample out of memory (tables 31-32 in the original wave and referred to as linear 'natural 'sounds in the original ppg manual, the loading of these sounds went through the waveterm drives or flashed factory eproms inside the prk processor keyboard)
mode2 in conjuction with the original waveterm rebuilding the wavetable itself (draw cycle waves into the mentioned linear sample and rebuild it with cycles from upper and lower wavebanks wich gave the abrupt stuttering sounds unique to ppg and thats how the waveforms in the eproms originally were made), i can't see full functionality of the original waveterm included , just linear playback mode (wich would make it less interesting of course, but we can hope they made full waveterm funtions available , but in the messe video the browser just looks like loading for wavs and importing it , no building /redrawing of own wavetables and no support of the original ppg mode 2)

[Buka]

will i be able to load my own samples and make unique wavetables..thats waveterm for isnt it?

as has been mentioned the answer is 'yes' - Waveterm-functionality will be included.

not confirmed at all , i suspect NO , you will be just able to load a sample
and run it through the 8 or 12 bit mode with filtering and envelopping, in that case it isnt a real wavetable like in the original 2.3 it just simulates the 2.3 linear ram bank playing modes, the original ppg had 2 modes , mode 1 just play a full sample out of memory (tables 31-32 in the original wave and referred to as linear 'natural 'sounds in the original ppg manual, the loading of these sounds went through the waveterm drives or flashed factory eproms inside the prk processor keyboard)
mode2 in conjuction with the original waveterm rebuilding the wavetable itself (draw cycle waves into the mentioned linear sample and rebuild it with cycles from upper and lower wavebanks wich gave the abrupt stuttering sounds unique to ppg and thats how the waveforms in the eproms originally were made), i can't see full functionality of the original waveterm included , just linear playback mode (wich would make it less interesting of course, but we can hope they made full waveterm funtions available , but in the messe video the browser just looks like loading for wavs and importing it , no building /redrawing of own wavetables and no support of the original ppg mode 2)

if thats the case im very disapointed....why the hell then they say Waveterm included?! they should say 1/2 Waveterm included!
....give us all or nothing....no need to upgrade from 2.v....
just bunch of half products...i sincerely hope that wont be the case

im waiting for this wavetable creation+synt for a long time but no luck so far(only Kubik but thats a low profile synth and maybe Zebra but also different sound than PPG)

cheers!

[states]

i dont care about anything ! it's a PPG, i'm buying !!! for some of us, it's simply, taboo... innit ?

[Compyfox]

if thats the case im very disapointed....why the hell then they say Waveterm included?! they should say 1/2 Waveterm included!
....give us all or nothing....no need to upgrade from 2.v....
just bunch of half products...i sincerely hope that wont be the case

I guess it's still down to the fact, that they rather want to offer a proper emulation than offering something like Alchemy. And for this, Waldorf IMO plays in the higher tiers.

[Ingonator]

will i be able to load my own samples and make unique wavetables..thats waveterm for isnt it?

as has been mentioned the answer is 'yes' - Waveterm-functionality will be included.

not confirmed at all , i suspect NO , you will be just able to load a sample
and run it through the 8 or 12 bit mode with filtering and envelopping, in that case it isnt a real wavetable like in the original 2.3 it just simulates the 2.3 linear ram bank playing modes, the original ppg had 2 modes , mode 1 just play a full sample out of memory (tables 31-32 in the original wave and referred to as linear 'natural 'sounds in the original ppg manual, the loading of these sounds went through the waveterm drives or flashed factory eproms inside the prk processor keyboard)
mode2 in conjuction with the original waveterm rebuilding the wavetable itself (draw cycle waves into the mentioned linear sample and rebuild it with cycles from upper and lower wavebanks wich gave the abrupt stuttering sounds unique to ppg and thats how the waveforms in the eproms originally were made), i can't see full functionality of the original waveterm included , just linear playback mode (wich would make it less interesting of course, but we can hope they made full waveterm funtions available , but in the messe video the browser just looks like loading for wavs and importing it , no building /redrawing of own wavetables and no support of the original ppg mode 2)

if thats the case im very disapointed....why the hell then they say Waveterm included?! they should say 1/2 Waveterm included!
....give us all or nothing....no need to upgrade from 2.v....
just bunch of half products...i sincerely hope that wont be the case

im waiting for this wavetable creation+synt for a long time but no luck so far(only Kubik but thats a low profile synth and maybe Zebra but also different sound than PPG)

cheers!

Did anyone here think about that the "product" presented is an ALPHA version? In the second video Wolfram told that he didn't even have time to do new patches so he still uses mostly the PPG 2.V patches.
To my ears in the video were only few details about the Waveterm feature so we could only do speculations on how the final product will look like...

BTW Wolfram mentioned that the Waveterm will not get modern sampler features like e.g. Kontakt. It will be as "Lofi" as the original one. The big difference is a new browser.

PS:
found this one (you have to scroll a bit down):
http://www.sequencer.de/blog/?p=7087

seems to be never finished, like this one:
http://www.hermannseib.com/waveterm/news.shtml

this seems to work but the GUI is a PITA (IMHO):
http://www.hermannseib.com/english/synt ... avesim.htm

Reaktor ensembles:
https://co.native-instruments.com/index ... tchid=9316
https://co.native-instruments.com/index ... tchid=3596

PPG sample set:
http://www.hollowsun.com/shop/PPG/index.htm

PPG patches for Largo:
http://rapidshare.com/files/319829225/I ... s_v1.2.fxb

[rob_lee]

Yes it's the Alpha

Rob

[arp_laszlo]

Will v2 still be available, or should I grab it before it's too late? I've always wanted that and wouldn't mind having both

[Whoomph]

Thanks for the NI links Ingonator

[paladium]

im not saying there won't be inclusing of the original way of
waveform manipulation in v3's software waveterm part , lets first wait till it's out and then judge it's merits against my real ppg system

i will post extensive comparisons when it's out, but from what the information in the video's concerns the main emphasis on version 3 will be more
authentic sounding on how the ppg modulates waves, how it treats its waves when they are played through the keyboard ranges ( the introducing of lots of new overtones when it creates aliaising) and simulation of 8 and 12 bit output,

at this stage the waveterm side seems to be an afterthought addon , the original sequencer module will be skipped so one can expect more of the original waveterm features being discarded , but i hope of course like you
it will be at least somewhere in the ballpark of the original
if you want to hear how real ppg productions sound be sure to checkout/download
and have a full listen to Serge blenner's 1986 la dimension prochaine , every note you hear on it is pure ppg system wave 2.3 ,evu and waveterm b with some reverb

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dimension-Proch ... 018&sr=1-1

[Ingonator]

Thanks for the NI links Ingonator

I added all PPG links and MANY more to this before it gets lost:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 96#4031196


this video is quite interesting:

http://www.musotalk.de/best-of-youtube/ ... g-wave-23/

or here:

another one:


those come from a PPG fan page: http://www.theppgs.com/

again: all links in my "collection" link at the beginning of this post.

[jens]

will i be able to load my own samples and make unique wavetables..thats waveterm for isnt it?

as has been mentioned the answer is 'yes' - Waveterm-functionality will be included.

not confirmed at all , i suspect NO , you will be just able to load a sample
and run it through the 8 or 12 bit mode with filtering and envelopping, in that case it isnt a real wavetable like in the original 2.3 it just simulates the 2.3 linear ram bank playing modes

You do a lot of odd speculating there. Wolfram Franke says 'der ist im Prinzip jetzt genauso wie ein PPG 2.2 oder 2.3 zusammen mit einem Waveterm B oder BRK.'

So this sentence indeed confirms that there'll be full Waveterm functionality.

what he then later on said about the Waveterm functionality was only in reply to their questions and their questions were stupid because those guys apparently have no clue about wavetable synthesis. It seems they're just some stupid techno-kids - even if they are already in their sixties or so.

So just because he was to polite to talk about functions they didn't ask about you can't conclude that this functionailty does not exist.