Zebra is locked?

[IncarnateX]

What I pointed out was my personal experience and it's of course somewhat biased assumption, but very valid none the less.

Yes, in your experience, I do not doubt that! But not in mine

The environment where I grew up was very pro-warez.

I do not doubt that either, but the environment where I grew up were not!

People didn't consider copying software or music wrong

Sure, bet they did not even know it is illegal.

and I guess it's not much better nowadays.

Certainly not. They have had a good deal of time to develop their favorite rationalizations.

Youngsters parents were just happy that all the money didn't went to software

No matter how anti-warez you are the fact is that those ex-warez users and warez users are your customers nowadays.

And?... Are you trying the good old "they would not have bought your software, if they did not try the Warez" argument? In that case: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! Trying before buying is what demos are for.

I am glad warez user come to their senses and go legal, but that does not prove anything about the assumed "benefits" of warez.

Many of them have grown up in environment where warez is considered a good thing. Denying it doesn't help anything.

Why would I deny that? I have no doubt that warez communities in the past as well as in the present consider themselves as pure as angels, but do not expect this attitude from KVR.

[sqigls]

...piracy? by that you mean swashbuckling with an eye patch on the high seas? Murdering, raping and blowing holes in boats and swinging on ropes to those boats in order to take things from those boats!!? Maybe abducting people from those boats and torturing them???!!! Making them walk the plank at swordpoint and afterwards drinking cheap home made liquors from oversized jugs and singing together with other swashbucklers, swinging arms in unison at 90 degree angles!!???!!!


no!?

oooohhhh, YOU mean the buzz word for UNAUTHORISED COPYING OF SOFTWARE.... aaaaahhhh yes, stupid me, I should have known. How embarrassing.

...ehem ... Are you sure you don't have a CD or a DVD in your collection somewhere that might have been copied without written permission from the company, a VCR you might have copied back in the day? Maybe a photocopy of something from a magazine or newspaper somewhere? Yeah I thought so...


I have paid for ALL of my shit too, but good-damn, KVR can be such a downer when I hear these super proud holy rants of how they would never be so evil as to invite the dark lord himself into thines domicile by even lending a thought to (dare i say the stupid F#@ING WORD) PIRACY!!!!!!

Hit the hypocrite seas you scurvy dogs

[sauli]

No matter how anti-warez you are the fact is that those ex-warez users and warez users are your customers nowadays.

And?... Are you trying the good old "they would not have bought your software, if they did not try the Warez" argument? In that case: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! Trying before buying is what demos are for.

I am glad warez user come to their senses and go legal, but that does not prove anything about the assumed "benefits" of warez.

No, what I mean is Urs handled it very civilized and in a kind way and it's probably much more effective in converting warez users to buyers than what you are doing

[TristezaOrange]

...piracy? by that you mean swashbuckling with an eye patch on the high seas? Murdering, raping and blowing holes in boats and swinging on ropes to those boats in order to take things from those boats!!? Maybe abducting people from those boats and torturing them???!!! Making them walk the plank at swordpoint and afterwards drinking cheap home made liquors from oversized jugs and singing together with other swashbucklers, swinging arms in unison at 90 degree angles!!???!!!


no!?

oooohhhh, YOU mean the buzz word for UNAUTHORISED COPYING OF SOFTWARE.... aaaaahhhh yes, stupid me, I should have known. How embarrassing.

...ehem ... Are you sure you don't have a CD or a DVD in your collection somewhere that might have been copied without written permission from the company, a VCR you might have copied back in the day? Maybe a photocopy of something from a magazine or newspaper somewhere? Yeah I thought so...


I have paid for ALL of my shit too, but good-damn, KVR can be such a downer when I hear these super proud holy rants of how they would never be so evil as to invite the dark lord himself into thines domicile by even lending a thought to (dare i say the stupid F#@ING WORD) PIRACY!!!!!!

Hit the hypocrite seas you scurvy dogs

Best post ever!

[IncarnateX]

...ehem ... Are you sure you don't have a CD or a DVD in your collection somewhere that might have been copied without written permission from the company, a VCR you might have copied back in the day? Maybe a photocopy of something from a magazine or newspaper somewhere? Yeah I thought so...

Yes, Blackbeard, I am pretty sure I don't. And even if I did, it would not legalise piracy, but just show that I suffer from double standards.

I have paid for ALL of my shit too, but good-damn, KVR can be such a downer when I hear these super proud holy rants of how they would never be so evil as to invite the dark lord himself into thines domicile by even lending a thought to (dare i say the stupid F#@ING WORD) PIRACY!!!!!!
...

You got that right! So pirate away, but do not expect any sympathy from me for the poor warez-users that Urs are so bloody "mean" to annoy with his copy-protection.

Hit the hypocrite seas you scurvy dogs

Yeah. I'll meet you and your friends out there and sink you, Captain. Look forward to see you hanging from the gallow.

[OutCider]

And?... Are you trying the good old "they would not have bought your software, if they did not try the Warez" argument? In that case: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! Trying before buying is what demos are for.

Didn't Urs just say his copy protection was designed exactly with the intention of trapping warez customers and turning them legal?

I'd ease up on the E's if I were you

[izonin]

oooohhhh, YOU mean the buzz word for UNAUTHORISED COPYING OF SOFTWARE.... aaaaahhhh yes, stupid me, I should have known. How embarrassing.

i thought piracy is when you download porn

[IncarnateX]

And?... Are you trying the good old "they would not have bought your software, if they did not try the Warez" argument? In that case: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh! Trying before buying is what demos are for.

Didn't Urs just say his copy protection was designed exactly with the intention of trapping warez customers and turning them legal?

I'd ease up on the E's if I were you

Yes. Urs is both humane, clever and genius.

I am just the warmongering general who wants to put them all against the wall...

Do not take my attitude to seriously, Purity, I am just having a little fun here AND expressing my general attitude towards the EXCUSES of warez-user. If I was a warez user too, I would sure not expect any mercy, left alone support, from a developer like it is suggested in this thread. If you want to be a thief, be a thief but STFU, I'd say.

[IncarnateX]

No, what I mean is Urs handled it very civilized and in a kind way and it's probably much more effective in converting warez users to buyers than what you are doing

I do not want to convert warez users! I want to exterminate them.

[OutCider]

I guessed you were pretty tongue in cheek, hence the laugh in my post.

Of course no-one likes the thought of freeloaders using gear we've paid for with our hard earned cash, but it's part of the modern world we live in, sad as that is.
Of course that doesn't make it right or legitimise it in any way, but as Urs has found out, and has been mentioned here by a couple of posters, sometimes warez users do turn their backs on the dark side, and whilst not condoning previous behaviour, they should be welcomed into the light.

[sqigls]

Hit the hypocrite seas you scurvy dogs

Yeah. I'll meet you and your friends out there and sink you, Captain. Look forward to see you hanging from the gallow.

Look man, I marvel at Meister Urs's coding the same as ANY geek would/should.

But IncarnateX, you are a total master of the forum arts sensei.
PLEASE ACCEPT THIS GENIOUS AWARD

[mcnoone]

But you are a complete tool Flameboy.
GET OFF THE INTERNET

I don't want to interfere with the nonsense in this thread, but only to remind you that personal attacks, can cause you trouble here, and I don't think you want that kind of trouble.
So a kind suggestion to back off, or even delete the quoted phrase, may help you in some way.
Good day.

[djanthonyw]

oooohhhh, YOU mean the buzz word for UNAUTHORISED COPYING OF SOFTWARE.... aaaaahhhh yes, stupid me, I should have known. How embarrassing.

i thought piracy is when you download porn

I thought piracy is a type of vst you get when having unprotected sexual relations.

[sauli]

I would have posted a picture of pirates and nazis fighting, but figured out it wouldn't be fair for german based developer.

And I didn't find a good picture anyway.

peace!

[Urs]

Didn't Urs just say his copy protection was designed exactly with the intention of trapping warez customers and turning them legal?

Actually, no.

My sales would still be much higher if piracy didn't exist. Unfortunately my protection is good enough to get *some* of them, but certainly not *all* of them.

Thus, what I do is compromise.

Urs