DIVA Preset Request and Sharing Section

[olikana]

I think something that is missing from your patch is a high pass filter. There is very little low frequencies in the original sound - hence that very thin reedy sound. Also, while the sound is nice its definitely still lacking in some grit. That's where I added cross mod from the lfo on the 2VCO

yes i agree. that's why i said i could get much closer if i used an EQ (there's some low frequencies to be cut and some mid/highs to andjust and boost).btw in the moog filterbank there's no HPF ...but i see in the patchbay HPF is available anyway...hm....??

anyway for now i leave it at that. i think i've done enough work on it ;P...if someone wanna pick it up and take it further welcome.

[olja]

Haven't spent enough time with Diva yet to check all it's capabilities.
However, some dirty Crumar DS-2 alike sounds would be cool:

Loved that. In fact, I'd like a bank emulating every single sound in that video. Especially the more FX-like ones.

[PAK]

bingo. fast modulating the resonance was defenetly a great suggestion! (i actually "tuned" it with the sound so not so random) ..it adds that little ring tone at the bottom which in addition to a little FM gives it more grit.mine now sounds like this (after hours of tweaking on end jeez...)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/gettingthere.wav
..
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p

The tone in the modified preset posted sounds less obvious in the mp3. In the actual preset it stands out like a sore thumb - more so when you turn the main volume back up. It reminds me of bad aliasing more than grit, which is why I didn't assign the LFO originally The first 6 shapes produce an obvious tone. The last 2 (the 2 random ones) fix that but then sound more like too much noise on top.

Maybe it could somehow be helped simply by sending the "right" shape from the LFO. Someone could also "tune" the LFO speed to minimize the tone on specific notes, but when you move up/down notes you'd notice it more again. Diva would need a way to change the LFO speed fairly exactly, from key to key, to provide a "work around" solution that way

[Ingonator]

"Moog Edition" Preset is here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAK%20 ... V2Moog.h2p

Yours has a bit more of the grit going on.. FX plugin? Or maybe because it contains an extra (lower) tone, which shouldn't be there but maybe would help to "flesh it out" in terms of lack of FM lovin'?

Just had a look at that patch. This shows the bug i already reported before. You set the coarse tune in OSC 1 to 16' but it plays the sound of the 8'. If you switch to 32' you get the pitch of the "real" 16' For the other oscillators this works. at least i got this problem in the Windows version. Don't know about the Mac.
Besides this the patch sounds quite close to the original IMO.

If anybody got a patch sheet for the ARP2600 i could check it in TimewARP 2600 or i just try with the same parameters.

UPDATE:
Did al little test with TimewARP 2600. Sounds like a little pich modulation by the AR envelope is involved at the Attack. Got this in one of my Jupiter 8 Synth Brass presets for Diva.


Ingo

[CPCompany]

I would love a version of my three favourite 80s synth sounds.

Depeche Mode- Just Cant Get Enough


OMD - Enola Gay

wasnt sure what part of enola gay you wanted so did these:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lisa.milli ... la_gay.mp3
also did JCGE lead, presets here
http://www.box.com/s/a52a5skkhvls5kog9u2h

all made from memory, so prob not super close, but close enough for you to tweak to suit.

That sounds pretty good mate. Cheers !

[olikana]

bingo. fast modulating the resonance was defenetly a great suggestion! (i actually "tuned" it with the sound so not so random) ..it adds that little ring tone at the bottom which in addition to a little FM gives it more grit.mine now sounds like this (after hours of tweaking on end jeez...)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/gettingthere.wav
..
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p

The tone in the modified preset posted sounds less obvious in the mp3. In the actual preset it stands out like a sore thumb - more so when you turn the main volume back up.

The first 6 shapes produce an obvious tone. The last 2 (the 2 random ones) fix that

negative blah blah blah and not even any positive comment as usual

what u hear in the WAV is the actual preset. (in the second part ofc) the reverb is the plate from Diva. there's no other external effect or process. that's how it sounds if you play back the same midi.
if i could have added an eq (to get rid of the low freqs) or anything external i could have got much closer believe me.

and btw if u listen carefully to the original u'll hear an obvious lfo tone below in there too...i might have overdone it a little in my preset...but it's there in the original too. was intentional.

it's not perfect but i believe my preset is the closest posted so far (and i went on it all alone although suggestions like the one from UltraJV and mogular were very precious).
from you so far nothing useful to the cause. just negative talk and presests which were in no way useful or anywhere close ...in my modest opinion ofc

actually i might have uploaded the wrong one . just a sec

looks like i didn't overwrite my last edit..but the difference is very marginal (just a bit less of that alasing factor).should be fixed now anyway.(fixed as in same preset as in the wav posted earlier)

[Ingonator]

bingo. fast modulating the resonance was defenetly a great suggestion! (i actually "tuned" it with the sound so not so random) ..it adds that little ring tone at the bottom which in addition to a little FM gives it more grit.mine now sounds like this (after hours of tweaking on end jeez...)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/gettingthere.wav
..
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p

The tone in the modified preset posted sounds less obvious in the mp3. In the actual preset it stands out like a sore thumb - more so when you turn the main volume back up.

The first 6 shapes produce an obvious tone. The last 2 (the 2 random ones) fix that

negative blah blah blah and not even any positive comment as usual

what u hear in the WAV is the actual preset. (in the second part ofc) the reverb is the plate from Diva. there's no other external effect or process. that's how it sounds if you play back the same midi.
if i could have added an eq (to get rid of the low freqs) or anything external i could have got much closer believe me.

and btw if u listen carefully to the original u'll hear an obvious lfo tone below in there too...i might have overdone it a little in my preset...but it's there in the original too. was intentional.

it's not perfect but i believe my preset is the closest posted so far (and i went on it all alone although suggestions like the one from UltraJV and mogular were very precious).
from you so far nothing useful to the cause. just negative talk and presests which were in no way useful or anywhere close ...in my modest opinion ofc

now that u have my bad preset to tweak.. yes now maybe u can magically get close to it too ....have fun

Call me stupid or my ears broken but PAKs preset sounds closer than yours for me. your attack and decay times are too short and somethingin the attack is missing (like e.g. adding a pitch envelope as i stated in my last post above).

There is a certain combination of filter envelope attack and decay to get this kind of sound (check my jupiter 8 Brass presets at the PatchLib) which you don't get when those values are too low. A punchy Brass is not only about using as low attack and and decay as possible. At the decay there is a "magic" spot around 40% and around 20-30% at the attack (using the Analog ADSR).

BTW the ARP 2600 does not have a second ADSR envelope like you used (an AR envelope instead) and the waveform you used in OSC1 looks like a "Sharktooth" (mixture of Saw and triangle).

I'll try to post an own example soon but first i'll do a few more Minimoog presets...

The one which seems close to the original is this one IMO:

"Moog Edition" Preset is here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAK%20 ... V2Moog.h2p
)

PS:
Did anyone else notice the bug in OSC1: If you switch the coarse tune from 8' to 16' the pitch stays the same and at 32' you get the pitch of 16'.


Ingo

[olikana]

Call me stupid or my ears broken but PAKs preset sounds closer than yours for me
The one which seems close to the original is this one IMO:

"Moog Edition" Preset is here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAK%20 ... V2Moog.h2p
)

Ingo

original - then that PAk preset - then original - then mine

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/origin ... likana.wav

if you still believe pak is closer.. you can choose what i should call you
it has none of the original grit...it doesn't even attempt it probably.

[Ingonator]

Call me stupid or my ears broken but PAKs preset sounds closer than yours for me
The one which seems close to the original is this one IMO:

"Moog Edition" Preset is here
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAK%20 ... V2Moog.h2p
)

Ingo

original - then that PAk preset - then original - then mine

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/origin ... likana.wav

if you still believe pak is closer.. you can choose what i should call you
it has none of the original grit...it doesn't even attempt it probably.

Hi,

in that demo it sounds closer indeed (while the one from PAK is not really worse...) but i checked this preset (not the audio demo...):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p

This one is different to the original IMO. Is this the same as in the audio demo?

BTW from where is that original example you got? If it's not a "dry" example it's possible some further processing is involved. If you got the original ARP 2600 settings i could check with my TimwARP 2600.

Just found this video:



Ingo

[olikana]

in that demo it sounds closer indeed (while the one from PAK is not really worse...) but i checked this preset (not the audio demo...):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p

This one is different to the original IMO. Is this the same as in the audio demo?

yes it's the same as in the audio demo .

[dalor]

Haven't spent enough time with Diva yet to check all it's capabilities.
However, some dirty Crumar DS-2 alike sounds would be cool:

Loved that. In fact, I'd like a bank emulating every single sound in that video. Especially the more FX-like ones.

Uhh would love to hear how close you can get to these dirty sounds. The FX are amazing indeed! Thumbs up for a soundbank like this!

[Ingonator]

EDIT

[PAK]

negative blah blah blah and not even any positive comment as usual

Dude c'mon.. When it's a subject like matching sounds people are supposed to point out differences

You want a compliment? Yours copies the reverb setting better. Also, heavier reverb settings help hide smaller differences better, so overall it's a good thing to do when you can get away with it.

Your sound also copies the "grit" better and, as previously explained, the grit pretty much defines the sound. However it copies the grit at the cost of the quite nasty tone previously explained, and its way louder than anything that might be present in the original. For the purpose of a usable preset I think you're better off to leave the LFO off because it causes more problems than it solves..

Here is the sound I made with modded reverb settings, then your sound, then the original. All are normalized to -3.5dB.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAKrev ... a_Orig.mp3

Here's my preset with modified reverb settings
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37542806/PAK%20 ... 20Verb.h2p

People are free to hook up with LFO and add some noise to it.. I haven't done that because of the previously explained reasons

[olikana]

final yazoo don't go patch from me
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/yazoodontgobrass.h2p
and how it sounds (no fx apart from diva's own plate reveb)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/50331508/olikan ... opatch.wav

[Mogular]

Really good stuff. Getting the subsound with the fm is something I would never have thought of. I didn't get why you were so determined to use the triple oscillator. I am surprised also at the amount of modulation applied to the resonance but it sounds really good.
This was fun. Even though in hindsight I was pretty off with my attempt I learned heaps from doing this.