Jupiter 8 V 2.5

[deathwish]

Just to close off ,funny how this thread started as praise for a great product and somehow got changed into a DIVA versus JP8 V thread, just saying............ cheers

They are the only two commercial VA synths on the market which attempt to accurately model the Jupiter 8. I don't see why comparisons with DIVA wouldn't be expected in a thread heaping praise on JP8V when DIVA arguably does a better job of modelling the same oscillators, filters and envelopes. How could it not?

I don't really see how this observation is somehow "funny" or insightful. It seems quite natural and obvious.

Is DIVA superior to Arturia JP8V?

[EvilDragon]

Oh god yes.

[risome]

Just to close off ,funny how this thread started as praise for a great product and somehow got changed into a DIVA versus JP8 V thread, just saying............ cheers

They are the only two commercial VA synths on the market which attempt to accurately model the Jupiter 8. I don't see why comparisons with DIVA wouldn't be expected in a thread heaping praise on JP8V when DIVA arguably does a better job of modelling the same oscillators, filters and envelopes. How could it not?

I don't really see how this observation is somehow "funny" or insightful. It seems quite natural and obvious.

Whatever and insightful is not a word i used

[Arrested Developer]

Is DIVA superior to Arturia JP8V?

Arturia JP 8 V -> GUI comes very close to the JP8
Diva -> Sound comes close to the JP8

[zerocrossing]

Personally, I think the Jupiter modeled modules in DIVA shit all over J8V. The Jupiter was always my least favorite of the Arturia synths. I love Roland synths, but I just don't think Arturia did a very good emulation this time around. And since DIVA was released, hardly any of the Arturia stuff in my collection gets used anymore.

That's my feeling as well, though I haven't tried versions past v2. I did like their new S.E.M emulation though, but with a new ATC-x in my studio there's not much call for it, though I suppose it would be nice for polyphony. I'd buy the S.E.M. if it were under $100. I guess that's my issue with all the Arturia stuff. They want way too much for them when software like Diva are better and more flexible.

[braj]

Is DIVA superior to Arturia JP8V?

Arturia JP 8 V -> GUI comes very close to the JP8
Diva -> Sound comes close to the JP8

[Echoes in the Attic]

Personally, I think the Jupiter modeled modules in DIVA shit all over J8V. The Jupiter was always my least favorite of the Arturia synths. I love Roland synths, but I just don't think Arturia did a very good emulation this time around. And since DIVA was released, hardly any of the Arturia stuff in my collection gets used anymore.

That's my feeling as well, though I haven't tried versions past v2. I did like their new S.E.M emulation though, but with a new ATC-x in my studio there's not much call for it, though I suppose it would be nice for polyphony. I'd buy the S.E.M. if it were under $100. I guess that's my issue with all the Arturia stuff. They want way too much for them when software like Diva are better and more flexible.

Ya it's crazy different pricing models. DIVA gives you 4 or 5 pretty much complete emulation under one product, which is half the price of one of Arturias synths. Just crazy.

One thing I thought was funny. If you watch the product video for the Arturia jupiter-8v, there is a scene where Nori Ubukatu (not sure if I got that name right), is playing the jupiter-8v first and then it switches to the real jupiter-8, I guess to show how similar they are. But the funny thing is, the sound gets so obviously less muddy and nicer when it changes to the real thing, so it had the reverse effect. With DIVA you can actually get it exactly the same for most jupiter sounds, whereas the 8v will get close for many sounds, but not most.

That being said, I've always liked the Arturia sound, but not for a true analog sound, but more for it's own unique sound. They are just about the creamiest softies I've used, although can be a little muddy. I used to have the Jupiter-8v, but I found that I could get most of the types of sounds I liked in it using Poly-Ana instead. And then once DIVA came along, I really had no need for it.

[1-2-Many]

One thing I thought was funny. If you watch the product video for the Arturia jupiter-8v, there is a scene where Nori Ubukata(not sure if I got that name right), is playing the jupiter-8v first and then it switches to the real jupiter-8, I guess to show how similar they are. But the funny thing is, the sound gets so obviously less muddy and nicer when it changes to the real thing, so it had the reverse effect. With DIVA you can actually get it exactly the same for most jupiter sounds, whereas the 8v will get close for many sounds, but not most.

[Ingonator]

Is DIVA superior to Arturia JP8V?

Arturia JP 8 V -> GUI comes very close to the JP8
Diva -> Sound comes close to the JP8

Exactly my thoughts.

I had a real Jupiter 8 back in 2004. Had the Arturia Jupiter 8V but sold it last year becaiuse the sound was not really close to the real thing.
I am very happy about the Jupiter 8 emulation in Diva which is modeled on Urs' own Jupiter 8 which on the pictures of Urs' new office/studio could be seen near to his computers : http://www.u-he.com/cms/90-the-new-studio

The Arturia synths i currently got are the Prophet V (could import original Prophet 5 and VS Sysex files) and the new Oberheim SEM V. IMO the Oberheim sound wise seems to be the best of the Arturia synths so far.


Ingo

[MickGael]

Ya it's crazy different pricing models. DIVA gives you 4 or 5 pretty much complete emulation under one product, which is half the price of one of Arturias synths. Just crazy.

Jupiter-8V2 sells for $199 USD. Diva sells for $179 USD.

[Kriminal]

I don't think it is ever specified by Urs because there could be complications with Rolan, Moog, Morgan's if they said it directly. Otherwise it is pretty darn clear what inspired Diva

really? funny how jp4 and jp6 and moog and ms10/20 are mentioned dont you think?

there's no documention that suggests diva is modelling a J8 in any way

Urs has stated explicitly that it is. This has been discussed to death so many times in DIVA threads that honestly, if you don't know at this point then you just haven't been paying much attention. That's okay, I don't care if you don't really follow all of the banter around here, but the fact that you would so adamantly argue a point which you know so little about is kind of silly. Why not just say "I don't think there is any documentation"? Why all out proclaim that you know something to be a fact when it's something that you clearly don't know anything about? What's your deal? Are you always like this?

well, im on the U-HE beta team, and i can honestly say i have not seen the J8 mentioned ONCE at the beta forum...the J4/J6, yes, lots and lots, but not the J8.

So you see, i dont follow all the 'banter' here, no, but i do have a rough idea of whats been going on, but if you can show me the documentation that says otherwise....

[Ingonator]

I don't think it is ever specified by Urs because there could be complications with Rolan, Moog, Morgan's if they said it directly. Otherwise it is pretty darn clear what inspired Diva

really? funny how jp4 and jp6 and moog and ms10/20 are mentioned dont you think?

there's no documention that suggests diva is modelling a J8 in any way

Urs has stated explicitly that it is. This has been discussed to death so many times in DIVA threads that honestly, if you don't know at this point then you just haven't been paying much attention. That's okay, I don't care if you don't really follow all of the banter around here, but the fact that you would so adamantly argue a point which you know so little about is kind of silly. Why not just say "I don't think there is any documentation"? Why all out proclaim that you know something to be a fact when it's something that you clearly don't know anything about? What's your deal? Are you always like this?

well, im on the U-HE beta team, and i can honestly say i have not seen the J8 mentioned ONCE at the beta forum...the J4/J6, yes, lots and lots, but not the J8.

So you see, i dont follow all the 'banter' here, no, but i do have a rough idea of whats been going on, but if you can show me the documentation that says otherwise....

Hi,

i am VERY sure that it's from both Urs' Jupiter 8 and Jupiter 6. First here you could see pictures of the Jupiter 8 and the Jupiter 6 in Urs's new studio:
http://www.u-he.com/cms/90-the-new-studio

Second it was mentioned several times during the first public beta and third in the first versions the Jupiter was even mentioned in parts of the GUI (e.g. Jp6 and Jp8 in the "Shape" selection (now it is "analog1" and "analog2").

The filters in Diva should be like this:
- ladder: Minimoog (the one from Hans Zimmer which Urs borrowed)
- Cascade Clean: Urs' Jupiter 8 (which he mentioned sounds a bit different to other Jupiter 8's)
- Cascade Rough: Juno-60
- Multimode: Jupiter 6
- BITE (rev 1 and 2): MS-20 (two Revisions)

It looks like in the final version all references to the original synths were deleted in the GUI and the manual to prevent copyright problems.

a few quotes:

I know it doesn't really matter but out of interest what are the emulations other than the minimoog included so far?

OTA Ladder?
OTA SVF ?
Sallen Key filters?

Judging by the graphics of the osc is the:

ECO - Polivoks?
DCO - Juno?
Dual VCO - Jupiter 6 or 8?

The Sallen Key filters and the Eco Oscs are based on the MS-20
The OTA Ladder is based on the Juno-60 and Jupiter 8
The OTA SVF is based on the Jupiter-6 and Alpha Juno
The Dual VCO is based on the Jupiter 6 and Jupiter 8
The DCO is based on the Juno-60 and Alpha Juno
The Analog ADSR is based on the Jupiter 8 and Juno 60
The Digital ADSR is based on the Jupiter 6 and Alpha Juno

Hey Ingo,

this is what Urs wrote elsewhere to answer the question of which modules "belong" together:

"It's not that easy...

The Minimoog should be obvious.

Juno 60 is DCO (only PWM and Saw) -> HP Post (no boost) -> LP OTA Ladder (rough) -> Analogue envs

Jupiter 8 is DualVCO -> HP Pre -> LP OTA Ladder (clean) -> Analogue envs

Jupiter 6 is DualVCO -> HP Pre -> LP OTA state variable -> Digital envs (Curve on)

Alpha Juno is DCO -> HP Post (no zero) -> LP OTA state variable -> Digital envs (Curve off)

MS-20 is obvious again, but doesn't have its own envelopes"

Comparing Diva with the sounds at http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... jp8v2.html I have had a lot of trouble getting the resonance that CoolColJ gets out of his Jupiter.

Our 14-bit Jupiter doesn't get there either... we'll revisit it though, it's always possible that a variable has been changed incorrectly when we set things in stone.

check this out for the recapped sounds http://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/roland-j ... 8-recapped

it actually sounds like there is some sort of drive running on these sounds

These are cool, but still. Our Jupiter 8 sounds considerably cleaner than our Juno 60, even though the actual filter circuit is very similar - we chose to implement the rough/clean modes exactly because of that difference in sound, otherwise we would have dropped "clean" alltogether. I agree that "clean" could do with a tad more resonance though.

All of those are from this thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... torder=asc



Ingo

[Kriminal]

None of those quotes are urs saying diva emulates a jp8, and the original labels were DEFINITELY jp4 & jp6.

[braj]

This all makes me want to go to Diva and create a new J8'esque patch called 'Splitting Hairs.'

[afreshcupofjoe]

It's amazing that some people like Kriminal won't give up even when they are proven wrong. It's like they have some sort of compulsion which causes them to continually delude themselves. Incredible.