KVR Audio

sonicpowa · Post by **sonicpowa** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:11 pm

sockofgold wrote:Sometimes trying out a new DAW can make you realize how much you like the one you already use. Thanks Cakewalk!

Yes indeed, thanks Steinberg!

saturdaysaint · Post by **saturdaysaint** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:36 pm

My first DAW was Sonar 3, probably around 10 years ago, which I faithfully updated through Sonar 6. Man, if it wasn't painfully glitchy (on hardware that ran Live, Reaper and Reason with no complaints), I'd probably still be using it.

I'm not against "bloat" as long as the music keeps flowing out of my speakers. I hate to say it, but reports about gaps in the audio pretty much validate my decision to dump it.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:43 pm

KevWestBeats wrote:well I think we have been spoiled by the stability of Reason too lol.

to be honest... Reason is a watered down app compared to Sonar, Cubase, Ableton, DP, Logic, Reaper, you name it... as far as "features" go...

if we are honest about the subject matter... it seems like when Reason added the dongle, audio, RE and other "newer" features i.e. the feature other DAWs have had for years... Reason has become more unstable than the past... i think this unstableness (i know not a word) comes from higher CPU usages when using Reason... those other products i.e. Cubase, Sonar, etc... have always flirted with the CPU celling... i.e. why they are unstable!!!

in other words... to compare Reason stability to other DAWs stability is not a good comparison!!! apples and oranges!!!

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:23 pm

I might have another go at Cubase. It was my first sequencer. Then I went to Cakewalk Pro Audio.

X2 features are meaningless when the thing is so buggy. Today, a bunch of my vsts just "disappeared" for no reason. Had to reinstall them. SONAR is the only app I use that crashes, it has been crashing since X1 came out, X1d still does, and every install I've done on three different Win7 installs has been the same. And I only run solid vsts, mostly 64-bit. Makes no difference, it crashed last night when importing a small audio file into a new tune with nothing in it yet ...

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:26 pm

sockofgold wrote:So, as I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, I demoed X1 last night to see what it was all about, and the main thing that struck me was the gigantic GUI. Everything is freaking huge! It seems like a serious waste of screen space.

I know it's all customizable and such, but everything is so far spaced out, and the buttons in the toolbar are enormous--just so inefficient. Seems like they're trying to gear up to make their GUI touch-compatible, but man, it made my eyes bleed.

Going back to Cubase after a couple hours of that made me really happy to see such a well-thought out GUI (aside from the terrible mess that is Cubase's window-management). Sometimes trying out a new DAW can make you realize how much you like the one you already use. Thanks Cakewalk!

edit: I will say, to be fair, that there were a lot of things I liked about X1, but not nearly enough to make me forgive that horrid GUI. Also, the installer wouldn't let me change the location of the demo content. My main drive is a 120GB SSD, so I don't want any kind of sample content wasting my precious space. Another big fail for X1 there, as it made me install it to my C drive, and would not let me change it.

To each his own I guess but I love the X1 Gui. Trying Studio one and Cubase LE made me apperciate Sonar in some ways though lol

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:34 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote:
KevWestBeats wrote:well I think we have been spoiled by the stability of Reason too lol.
to be honest... Reason is a watered down app compared to Sonar, Cubase, Ableton, DP, Logic, Reaper, you name it... as far as "features" go...

if we are honest about the subject matter... it seems like when Reason added the dongle, audio, RE and other "newer" features i.e. the feature other DAWs have had for years... Reason has become more unstable than the past... i think this unstableness (i know not a word) comes from higher CPU usages when using Reason... those other products i.e. Cubase, Sonar, etc... have always flirted with the CPU celling... i.e. why they are unstable!!!

in other words... to compare Reason stability to other DAWs stability is not a good comparison!!! apples and oranges!!!

Sonar can crash for no reason at all. I have opened Sonar sessions and had it crash. I opened a bundled plug ins that have crashed (usually older ones like Pentagon and Triangle) not saying that I disagree that since 6.0 Reason has become a lot less stable than it used to be but I think it is a give or take thing. Less features and more focus on making sure it works really well vs giving us everything on earth but trying to give us so much stuff that many things may not work right. Example they upgraded their rewire to 64 bit with X1d yet rewire has not worked right since version 7 or 8. Why upgrade a feature that doesn't work besides to have it on paper that its there? I think Cakewalk is trying to sell to the guys who think more features are better. Some of the Pro Channel stuff is buggy as hell too. Cakewalk really just rushes this stuff out there and if it kinda works say 60 -70% of the time ok they will put it out there without doing any real beta testing or anything like it and fix it whenever they get to it. Personally I would rather a vst host give me less bundled plug ins and more stability.

Edson Caetano · Post by **Edson Caetano** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:28 pm

My work is done 100% of time IN Sonar X1, Works perfectly, always... Wha not migrate To Sonar X2

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:39 pm

Gonga wrote:I might have another go at Cubase

Just make sure you have the correct pucker position when kissing chris beurmans ass.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:24 am

hibidy wrote:
The only feature I'm interested in, the "license transfer" button

Can't seem to find that button where is it? LOL

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:18 am

hibidy wrote:
Gonga wrote:I might have another go at Cubase
Just make sure you have the correct pucker position when kissing chris beurmans ass.

Ooooo.....

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:20 am

Edson Caetano wrote:My work is done 100% of time IN Sonar X1, Works perfectly, always... Wha not migrate To Sonar X2

Do you see anything in X2 that warrants giving them more of your cash and having a less stable DAW? I don't. I'll be waiting for the sales next year, then I might wait 'till X3, if I'm still eating Cake ...

alvfaria · Post by **alvfaria** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:37 am

I do not have so many bugs using Sonar X1.

My old Music Creator 5, yes, lots of bugs!

But, I'll wait for promotional prices before upgrade to X2

I NEVER pay the full price!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:54 am

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:56 am

yeah, come to think of it, I don't know why I'm bitching about sonar, that guy has his ...... so far........... it's HOPELESS. At least the sonar guys let people complain.

So yeah, GO SONAR!

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:59 am

Gonga wrote:
Edson Caetano wrote:My work is done 100% of time IN Sonar X1, Works perfectly, always... Wha not migrate To Sonar X2
Do you see anything in X2 that warrants giving them more of your cash and having a less stable DAW? I don't. I'll be waiting for the sales next year, then I might wait 'till X3, if I'm still eating Cake ...

I refer to the issue of crashes for some but not for others as 'The Ghost In The Machine'. I have not had any crashes since X1c...nor do I have any freezes or such that I had experienced previously either.

SONAR X2 first look