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Quietinthedark · Post by **Quietinthedark** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:51 pm

I should have added, using Reaper. No problems with latency, CPU usage, etc.

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:52 pm

Quietinthedark wrote:Did not get much time to play with it, but I feel like this GUI is a big improvement over the older 'yellow screen' version.

One thing that took me a minute to figure out was how to load SFZ files. I thought it strange that you would load SF2, and SFZ differently. There is probably a logical explanation.

(I should note that while I am quite competent using a DAW or most effects, I am a sampler/synth noob, I play 10 instruments myself, so I've rarely used these things, just recently started wanted to do my own sampling of funky percussion instruments).

There is indeed a very simple reason; Soundfonts typically contain several programs, where as SFZ contain only one. Thus a Soundfont maps to the concept of a performance in TX terms, and the SFZ maps to a single program.

On the other hand, if you just browse with the file browser, you should see them side-by-side (all supported formats), and double click will load either.

Cheers
/C

Quietinthedark · Post by **Quietinthedark** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:25 pm

Should SFZ seq_length seq_position codes be working for round robining?

Don't seem to be.

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:28 pm

Quietinthedark wrote:Should SFZ seq_length seq_position codes be working for round robining?

Don't seem to be.

No. Not a supported feature. TX16Wx Pro will have the matrix switcher, which will, amongst others, be able to support round-robin wave switching.

Quietinthedark · Post by **Quietinthedark** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:04 pm

elcallio wrote:
Quietinthedark wrote:Should SFZ seq_length seq_position codes be working for round robining?

Don't seem to be.
No. Not a supported feature. TX16Wx Pro will have the matrix switcher, which will, amongst others, be able to support round-robin wave switching.

Fair enough. €80 isn't bad for a fully featured plugin.

ThomasN · Post by **ThomasN** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:05 pm

A few small suggestions:
In the keyboard mapper it would be more intuitiv to set the root key with a right click rather than with a left click dragging.

It would be cool if settings like volume of prelisten, window arrangement and selected tab (e.g. program, browser) are remembered globally.

And another minor intuition thingy with the Main and Setup buttons. It seems a bit odd that the active one is dark and not bright (=highlighted).

And a question:
Are the filters really 24dB filters?? I made some comparsion tests to be really sure and while this seems to be true for the LP filter, the HP and BP filters sound no way near a 24dB filter.

Thanks a lot for offering this fine sampler for free.

PS: I would really love if the pro version would not only feature more filter types, but a whole second filter module and that you can switch between parallel and serial processing, of course.

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:12 pm

Rat 41 wrote:A few small suggestions:
In the keyboard mapper it would be more intuitiv to set the root key with a right click rather than with a left click dragging.

It would be cool if settings like volume of prelisten, window arrangement and selected tab (e.g. program, browser) are remembered globally.

And another minor intuition thingy with the Main and Setup buttons. It seems a bit odd that the active one is dark and not bright (=highlighted).

And a question:
Are the filters really 24dB filters?? I made some comparsion tests to be really sure and while this seems to be true for the LP filter, the HP and BP filters sound no way near a 24dB filter.

Thanks a lot for offering this fine sampler for free.

PS: I would really love if the pro version would not only feature more filter types, but a whole second filter module and that you can switch between parallel and serial processing, of course.

The filter is 24dB, but in all honesty, the HP and BP are calculated as exclusions from the LP result, which means that technically they are not 100% correct (not a dedicated BP filter). Again, the Pro will remedy this, since the audio path will be rewritten to allow for more flexible filtering at same or lower CPU cost -> HP&BP can be fully separate code paths.

And as stated previously, it will also sport a secondary filter.

(And as usual, pre-ordering the Pro version is a great way of speeding up its development!

)
Cheers

ThomasN · Post by **ThomasN** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:36 pm

elcallio wrote:The filter is 24dB, but in all honesty, the HP and BP are calculated as exclusions from the LP result, which means that technically they are not 100% correct (not a dedicated BP filter). Again, the Pro will remedy this, since the audio path will be rewritten to allow for more flexible filtering at same or lower CPU cost -> HP&BP can be fully separate code paths.

Ahh

Thanks for this clarification.

And as stated previously, it will also sport a secondary filter.

Great!

Must have overlooked that...

(And as usual, pre-ordering the Pro version is a great way of speeding up its development! )
Cheers

Just two days ago I started to fully use the free version in a project (replacing Directwave). If that turns out well, I'll certainly buy/preorder the pro version.

What's your thought on my suggestions? (just out of curiosity)

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:52 pm

elcallio wrote:No. Not a supported feature. TX16Wx Pro will have the matrix switcher, which will, amongst others, be able to support round-robin wave switching.

Is this between just samples, or will it be possible between whole groups, too?

By the way, this thing has puzzled me ever since I started testing the plugin out. Is it really not possible to have zones ("splits") arranged non-contiguously in a single group with drag&drop? Or is it just different terminology playing with me? It seems that whenever I drop a new sample onto the mapping window, a new group is created...

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:58 pm

Rat 41 wrote:A few small suggestions:
In the keyboard mapper it would be more intuitiv to set the root key with a right click rather than with a left click dragging.

I disagree there, grabbing what you see and moving it is pretty much commonplace standard in any editor.

Rat 41 wrote: It would be cool if settings like volume of prelisten, window arrangement and selected tab (e.g. program, browser) are remembered globally.

It is stored between sessions in your DAW, but not as "defaults" when opening the plugin anew. Not sure if that is super helpful... If the sampler is empty, how many ui changes are there to remember?

Rat 41 wrote: And another minor intuition thingy with the Main and Setup buttons. It seems a bit odd that the active one is dark and not bright (=highlighted).

I'd say its in line with any windows/mac app, where both tabs and normal buttons work that way, i.e when pressed/active the button is "filled"

Cheers
/C

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:59 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
elcallio wrote:No. Not a supported feature. TX16Wx Pro will have the matrix switcher, which will, amongst others, be able to support round-robin wave switching.
Is this between just samples, or will it be possible between whole groups, too?

By the way, this thing has puzzled me ever since I started testing the plugin out. Is it really not possible to have zones ("splits") arranged non-contiguously in a single group with drag&drop? Or is it just different terminology playing with me? It seems that whenever I drop a new sample onto the mapping window, a new group is created...

Its super easy

Just drag the sample(s) into an existing group to place them as new splits in the existing group. By this I mean into the group rectangle, not onto the keyboard.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:30 pm

That's a bit weird way to go about it, but ok. I meant something like this:

It makes infinitely more sense to me.

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:39 pm

EvilDragon wrote:That's a bit weird way to go about it, but ok. I meant something like this:

<snip>

It makes infinitely more sense to me.

What you call group here would be a "group set" in TX terms. Which does not exist.

A group is a contiguous set of mappings. If you want/need separate mappings (space inbetween), you create more groups. While "sets" like you show in kontakt makes some sense to keep track of stuff, its just a visual aid, no?
(Been a while since I used kontakt. And I didn't like it that much...)

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:42 pm

No, it's not just a visual aid, sometimes you want to create non-contiguous mappings that pertain to one group for some things. Like one octave of timpani left hand samples, then a space of one octave, then an octave of timpani right hand samples. This would be one group. Then you would duplicate that group with round-robin variations of those samples, to get them alternating correctly (instead of creating more groups to separately round-robin left and right hand hits, that's something I would never do in this case example - I'm aware RR is not yet available in TX). It is definitely better that way.

Dunno, not allowing non-contiguous mappings in a single group just seems blatantly limiting to me. Vintage Kurzweil samplers most definitely didn't work that way, for example. You could have non-contiguous mappings in their keymaps.

Mind you, I won't object if you disagree with this method of thinking about mapping. I'll just be a bit sad.

elcallio · Post by **elcallio** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:59 pm

EvilDragon wrote:No, it's not just a visual aid, sometimes you want to create non-contiguous mappings that pertain to one group for some things. Like one octave of timpani left hand samples, then a space of one octave, then an octave of timpani right hand samples. This would be one group. Then you would duplicate that group with round-robin variations of those samples, to get them alternating correctly (instead of creating more groups to separately round-robin left and right hand hits, that's something I would never do in this case example - I'm aware RR is not yet available in TX). It is definitely better that way.

Dunno, not allowing non-contiguous mappings in a single group just seems blatantly limiting to me. Vintage Kurzweil samplers most definitely didn't work that way, for example. You could have non-contiguous mappings in their keymaps.

Mind you, I won't object if you disagree with this method of thinking about mapping. I'll just be a bit sad.

I'd still say that what you call group here would in effect be a "group set", i.e another level of hierarchy between program and group. Which might not be a bad idea for future enhancements, since if nothing else it helps organize things, but on the other hand not in any way a handicap for work flow as it is.

As for samplers, never really worked with the k2000 though a buddy had one, my workhorses were the TX16W and E-MU gear. E-MU stuff typically did not have any concept of hierarchy, a group was one sample + sound params. Typhoon, on which TX16Wx is loosely based, used the concept of splits, which is basically sample switching inside the group based on key. TX Pro will take this concept a little further with the matrix (woho). My point is that for me, this is a very natural and more to the point "economic" work flow.

Seems ways of organizing samples is about as many as there are samplers, and the views on which is better will stay in pretty much the same number range. I've made some design choices with the TX, and I will not radically change these, though I will entertain ideas on how to expand upon them (thus I remain positive to the "set" idea). But the more a thing has to do with the fundamental aspects of the sound architecture, the longer it will take to evaluate and incorporate, so this is not something I would prioritize before the promises I've already made (i.e the Pro).

Cheers, and don't feel sad. Feel that there might come things to be happily surprised about in the future too

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