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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:03 pm

Markus808 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Use sustain pedal?
That's one solution, but keeping my foot on the pedal for minutes is a bit tiresome, isn't it?!

No, it isn't. It's what a real player does pretty much all the time

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:10 pm

paterpeter wrote:
4damind wrote:
paterpeter wrote:Please don't hit me, but the oscillator is purely mono, right? I was somehow looking for a "stereo spread" knob to widen the supersaw
Stacking
So Stacking + VoiceMap modulating pan + maybe voice detune? Or is there another/better way to spread the stacked voices?

Yep, StackIndex modulates PanMod (Stereo Spread) and TuneMod (Detune)

#rob · Post by **#rob** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:15 pm

EvilDragon wrote:It's what a real player does pretty much all the time

Correct. It is a basic and essential requirement for any decent musician to have severe masochistic and self-destructive tendencies.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:18 pm

#rob wrote:severe masochistic and self-destructive tendencies.

It's the human condition. Might as well mirror that in software

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:29 pm

kimik wrote:a lock button for the arp would be nice, so that when you change presets it stays on and holds settings.

+1

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:37 pm

4damind wrote:I think somebody still posted this video. Comparison of Diva vs JP8080 and Diva is very close

Just used a Signal Analyzer to compare the Diva Supersaw to the resl one like in this thesis from Adam Szabo:
http://www.nada.kth.se/utbildning/grukt ... _10131.pdf

I calculated the frequency ratio of the 7 Saws in relation to the central Saw (like in that thesis) and those are identical to the values for the real JP-80x0.

Here are the frequency ratio values for Diva, you could compare them to the thesis if you like:
0.890, 0.937, 0.980, 1.000 (center), 1.020, 1.062, 1.107

Like in that thesis this was done at maximum Detune and Mix (= "Multi" in Diva) amounts. Also the ratio of the amplitudes of the Saws seems to behave like in the real thing while the central Saw is a bit more quiet than the others (like also mentioned in the thesis).

Soundwise the Diva Supersaw indeed seems to nail the real thing. That Roland Supersaw is quite special and i really like it's character.

Ingo

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:45 pm

Hehehe, please also check out the other waveforms. Much has been written, said and done about Supersaw, but part of the exercise was to also nail the other waveforms

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:05 pm

Urs wrote:Hehehe, please also check out the other waveforms. Much has been written, said and done about Supersaw, but part of the exercise was to also nail the other waveforms

Hi Urs,

indeed those other waveforms are very interesting too. Just started using a signal Analyzer with some of those too while twaeking the related knobs for the shape.

Some very cool stuff indeed and not emulated in another synths so far AFAIK (for example JP6K "only" emulates the Supersaw but that one very good).

As already mentioned the new Uhbie filter seems to work perfectly with the new digital oscillators, at least for my taste.

Those new modules make Diva even more useful than it was already and the combination of the new ocillator with different filter modules is quite unique.

Ingo

hansiwalker · Post by **hansiwalker** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:11 pm

Hi!
Found a problem when selecting the saw waveform of DIGITAL OSC. It seems that the sensitive area of the Saw button is not exactly its screen area. When clicking in the lower part of the button what's selected is not Saw but Tri. Happens in Logic 9, OSX 10.8.5.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:16 pm

Urs, will your "weekend project" share some of this JP stuff or is it more the opposite, that some ideas from your weekend project are now a part of Diva?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:17 pm

Thanks Ingo

Well, the "hardest nut to crack" was the feedback oscillator. Which is so complicated, it only runs monophonic in the JP80x0. One can only perfectly model it with excessive effort as it features a strange galore of hard clipping and waveshaping stages. I think we came pretty close, but a final verdict probably relies on whether it's "good enough" or not.

The other waveforms were expanded in various ways, e.g. they usually only have a single control parameter. We then added a second dimension to it. If however the additional control parameter is set to its default value in Diva, that waveform should be pretty spot on.

- Urs

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:36 pm

I don't have my JP set up right now, and I can't find the files for the "technical demo" I made of it's oscillators, but from memory you nailed the feedback oscillator pretty much spot on. The aliasing, the wailing beast noises, the way the changes to feedback pitch take a few moments to propagate along the waveform. Hearing it polyphonic is downright spooky in more ways than one

The fact that you can do sync on it blows my mind

The resonance on the noise waveform, I seem to remember on the JP you got a more stable volume on the resultant sine wave. I could be wrong here, but it feels like it swings too wildly between minimum and maxumum volume. I think it would also be more musically useful if it was more stable in volume.

tetsuneko · Post by **tetsuneko** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:43 pm

Only now got the chance to quickly demo the new modules.. Congrats urs! Seems like I can now replicate everything I liked about the JP8K with diva

The feedback osc is a beauty! (And now with microtuning

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Cheeeers

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:20 pm

This whole Diva project - gradually accumulating all the best bits of everything and adding new tweaks just for good measure - is such a gift to us all. Great stuff U-He. The sound designers are going to go nuts with the new kit in 1.3.

Holophonic · Post by **Holophonic** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:57 pm

Some help please Urs, I've installed the new beta so i could give it a whirl and now my original Diva isn't seen at all by reaper.

Is it possible to have both installed or do i have to have 1 or the other ?

u-he

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