Phoenix and the others./ Search for the most Natural reverb

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Spitfire31 wrote:Personally, I prefer linear movements and as for accuracy, I think that a good method (which I more or less take for granted in a modern plug-in) is a modfier key, such as Shift or Option, to change to a finer values mode.
I guess I'm all alone with my love for radial knobs, then... :-) Anyway, thanks for the feedback. As I said, I've already switched to linear mode in the development version here. It works fine, I just need to get used to it. Luckily, Jules (JUCE & Tracktion) has already thought about the Ctrl modifier for finer adjustments...

Stian

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stian wrote:I think the difference between Verberate and the others is best illustrated by listening to and looking at the impulse response obtained from Verberate.

Most digital reverbs don't come close to real measurements, which is not necessarily bad, but not realistic. Artistically spoken, reverbs without the sufficient density and realistic early reflections don't blend in, but sound "on top".
This is gonna be an interesting conversation. I'll bite first :D - the real question would be : How is 'sufficient' defined - How many reflections per second?

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Warp69 wrote:This is gonna be an interesting conversation. I'll bite first :D - the real question would be : How is 'sufficient' defined - How many reflections per second?
Yes, it looks like it's going to be interesting. ;-) In my opinion, there is no definition of sufficient other than our perception of it. The crucial thing is how each reflection is modeled, not so much the density, I guess. At the wavelengths we are dealing with, even fairly large objects will cause sound to be reflected in a diffuse manner similar to how light reflects from milky glass.

Stian

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Bummer. I tried to install the Verberate Mac beta on my audio system, 10.6.8 (which many Mac people still prefer as a stable pro audio system). I was met by an alert saying that 1) Verberate can't be installed on this system and 2) Acon Restoration Suite (?) needs System 10.7.

What is so special about Verberate that it can't be installed on a system version that virtually every other plug-in plays nice with (including Phoenix, which is in the title of this thread)?

/Joachim
If it were easy, anybody could do it!

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Spitfire31 wrote:Bummer. I tried to install the Verberate Mac beta on my audio system, 10.6.8 (which many Mac people still prefer as a stable pro audio system). I was met by an alert saying that 1) Verberate can't be installed on this system and 2) Acon Restoration Suite (?) needs System 10.7.

What is so special about Verberate that it can't be installed on a system version that virtually every other plug-in plays nice with (including Phoenix, which is in the title of this thread)?
Thanks for testing, Joachim. Unfortunately, we use some features from C++11 which requires the new libc++ and implicitly OS X 10.7 or later. I've fixed the incorrect reference to Restoration Suite, though.

Stian

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stian wrote:Hi!
Tapehead wrote:As the title suggests, I have a question about the most natural reverb in VST format.
Since you bring up this issue, I wanted to let you know that we are working on a new algorithmic reverb plug-in called Acon Digital Verberate that is currently in beta stage. Verberate uses new methods to achieve very dense reverb tails combined with a realistic simulation of early reflections. Demo versions are available below (VST for Win32 and Win64 as well as AU and VST for OS X, respectively):

http://acondigital.com/software/beta/Ve ... _0_9_7.exe
http://acondigital.com/software/beta/Ve ... _0_9_7.exe
http://acondigital.com/software/beta/Ve ... 7.mpkg.zip

Any feedback is highly appreciated... :-) We expect to release in two to three weeks time.

Stian
Hi Stian,

I will be demoing this new reverb of yours since i love and i'm a huge fan of Natural/realistic/clean/etc reverbs. Are there any major issues your aware of with this beta and Sonar X2 (Sonar is fussy with many new plugins for me and is often one of the last DAW's some plugins are made fully stable in from updates IME)? Can you elaborate on the new technique you used fur your reverb and what makes it special (if you can but if not don't worry the sound is really what matters most). What will be the price and copy-protection method?
T2 Icarus is a must. SonicCore SCOPE is the most. As heart of studio it has my vote, cause XITE-1 is all she wrote.

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sounddesigner wrote:I will be demoing this new reverb of yours since i love and i'm a huge fan of Natural/realistic/clean/etc reverbs. Are there any major issues your aware of with this beta and Sonar X2 (Sonar is fussy with many new plugins for me and is often one of the last DAW's some plugins are made fully stable in from updates IME)? Can you elaborate on the new technique you used fur your reverb and what makes it special (if you can but if not don't worry the sound is really what matters most). What will be the price and copy-protection method?
Thanks for the interest! I'm not aware of any issues with Sonar X2, but if you encounter any problems, I would be grateful for your feedback. The new technique is applied in the late reverberation and makes it possible to achieve the smooth decay without any perceivable echoes. This is combined with a convolution based early reflection processor, which is current state of the art. The early reflections are synthesized, though, so it is still a pure algorithmic reverb. The copy protection will be license key based as we have a tradition for here at Acon Digital. As for the pricing, there will be a 2 channel version available for $99.90 and a surround capable version for $199.90.

Stian

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TheoM wrote:That's unfortunate, as i had no idea about this when i bought the restoration and deverb yesterday. My imac is and always will be 10.6.8

I would only ever do "serious" restoration on that, which is set up with a first class monitor system and decent room. :?

what do i do now? darn.
Hmm, if this affects several users and paying customers, I'll do my best to solve this issue. Please give me a day or two - I'll evaluate some different options and provide feedback. Thanks in advance for you patience.

Stian

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Just a suggestion:
Wouldn't it be useful to split this thread?

One about the topic and a new thread about the Acon-Verb.

I don't think that discussing Acon here is senseful, at least not until there aren't any Audio demos...

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Arrested Developer wrote:Just a suggestion:
Wouldn't it be useful to split this thread?

One about the topic and a new thread about the Acon-Verb.

I don't think that discussing Acon here is senseful, at least not until there aren't any Audio demos...
You are right, good idea. I've created a new thread here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=396954

So, please use the new thread for Acon Digital specific issues...

Stian

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Fresh off the press from musicradar. 10 of the best reverb vst plugins.

http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/10- ... ins-588377
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werp wrote:Fresh off the press from musicradar. 10 of the best reverb vst plugins.

http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/10- ... ins-588377
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TheoM wrote: By the way, i am going to be the first one to go on record publicly and say,
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