The Hive Hexagon Thread

[aMUSEd]

xy pad and maybe patch morphing?but I guess it would be difficult cause if the 3 different engines¿¡

Not if the morphing stuck to morphs between variations of a patch, so the architecture stays the same but everything else is open to change. That's how it worked in Alchemy.

[SoundGoddess]

My choice? The 3 MIDI performance sources most likely to be missing from people's rigs: Aftertouch, Breath and Expression.

Breath control would be nice for the brass patches. Aftertouch seems to work on a couple of the patches but I'm not sure how to route it.

[bftucker]

Oscilloscope is a valid request, but nothing we find suitable for Hive beyond being eye candy. It could still be something giving visual cues (modulations, realtime display of envelopes...

Or anything. Anything really, that doesn't make Hive more complicated. To the contrary, we'd prefer ideas that make Hive's workflow even quicker.

Go!

I know that the oscilloscope is almost useless in Hive...even so, when I am playing and not programming a patch, I am looking at the GUI. I see the midi light blinking and the volume meter moving. When I use the mod wheel, a knob moves. An oscilloscope, especially a creative variation, might just be eye candy but it would make Hive just that much sweeter if there were an option to turn it off if you prefer something more utilitarian or simply to save on CPU cycles.

Don't think of it as sugar. It is honey.



(I confess that I use the Milk Drop Visualization in Winamp)

[sacer]

I also liked the XY in Zebra but most preset designers hadn't used, opposite of alchemy or massive or kore. So 3 or 4 XY pads would be cool, especialy when one of them could be used to morph between 8 sounds from a preset like kore or alchemy

[lnikj]

My choice? The 3 MIDI performance sources most likely to be missing from people's rigs: Aftertouch, Breath and Expression.

+1

[Howard]

My choice? The 3 MIDI performance sources most likely to be missing from people's rigs: Aftertouch, Breath and Expression.

Breath control would be nice for the brass patches. Aftertouch seems to work on a couple of the patches but I'm not sure how to route it.

"Breath Control" is just a number like anything else, SoundGoddess - you don't need to own special hardware. FYI it's MIDI continuous controller #02. Same for "Expression pedal". Don't need a pedal, it's MIDI CC #11.
I added realtime control to most of my presets via MIDI CC (01, 02, sometimes 11) and aftertouch. It would be a pity not to use them.

[pdxindy]

a hold button for the arp!

a hold button for the arp!

a hold button for the arp!

[SoundGoddess]

My choice? The 3 MIDI performance sources most likely to be missing from people's rigs: Aftertouch, Breath and Expression.

Breath control would be nice for the brass patches. Aftertouch seems to work on a couple of the patches but I'm not sure how to route it.

"Breath Control" is just a number like anything else, SoundGoddess - you don't need to own special hardware. FYI it's MIDI continuous controller #02. Same for "Expression pedal". Don't need a pedal, it's MIDI CC #11.
I added realtime control to most of my presets via MIDI CC (01, 02, sometimes 11) and aftertouch. It would be a pity not to use them.

You're right, upon further looking it seems it does support breath control and aftertouch already. I did buy a TEC breath controller, but nobody seems to know how to synthesize a good saxophone sound without using expensive sample-based libraries.

[Urs]

a hold button for the arp!

a hold button for the arp!

a hold button for the arp!

double click keyboard control

[aMUSEd]

I also liked the XY in Zebra but most preset designers hadn't used, opposite of alchemy or massive or kore.

I think the reason for that is in Alchemy and Kore the XY grid does a lot more than a standard XY pad, it both stores variations that create movement and interest in a patch, which is more useful for performance than just a standard XY as you know what the range of variation is, but it also serves as an inspiration for further sound design, as often morphing between the variations you find new sweet spots to save as new patches. So there's an added motivation for sound designers from such an arrangement.

[UncleMarty]

Urs, you're going to dislike this probably, but I also think you might see the merit of the idea The reason I say is because of what you said below....

Anything really, that doesn't make Hive more complicated.

How about allowing up to 6 instances of Hive inside one window. Each instance of it could be accessed via a row of 6 tabs. The only thing that stays the same between windows is the hive. The hive itself would allow an XY between all of the instances.

So you could have a pad on one instance and then be able to pull in an arp sound using the XY. You could also section the hive into buttons which enable and disable receiving of midi so instances can be enabled and disabled easily.

Incoming midi could be sent to whichever tabs have been right clicked to enabled and so on. I know at first this idea sounds complex but I've already thought of ways to make it pretty powerful without overcomplicating things. I'm probably not seeing many of the potential hurdles of this but thought I would put the suggestion forward. It could be a very powerful performance tool, and automation of these controls could mean some extremely varied sounds could be made.

And you've done SO well keeping the CPU usage down it'd be a shame not to have a "hardcore" mode

[lnikj]

I also liked the XY in Zebra but most preset designers hadn't used, opposite of alchemy or massive or kore.

I think the reason for that is in Alchemy and Kore the XY grid does a lot more than a standard XY pad, it both stores variations that create movement and interest in a patch, which is more useful for performance than just a standard XY as you know what the range of variation is, but it also serves as an inspiration for further sound design, as often morphing between the variations you find new sweet spots to save as new patches. So there's an added motivation for sound designers from such an arrangement.

I suspect that this feature in Alchemy was a major reason behind Apple's purchase. As you suggest, it's not simple crossfading but genuine morphing.

If you could pull that off Urs, maybe in Zebra 3, that would be very cool indeed (and you would be on the way to fulfilling a large hybrid synthesis opportunity that has opened up!).

[pdxindy]

a hold button for the arp!

a hold button for the arp!

a hold button for the arp!

double click keyboard control

heh... nice try

[Howard]

heh... nice try

Yep. Only does one-note arpeggio...

[Coorec]

My choice? The 3 MIDI performance sources most likely to be missing from people's rigs: Aftertouch, Breath and Expression.

I like this idea. Make it touchscreen usable as well.