Wrong again. Read the 'Symposium'. Non stop drinking and revelling.dellboy wrote:I do not know much 5th century BC Greek music Heroditus.herodotus wrote: As for myself, most of the music I admire most was made by people who died long before I was born. What that means I dont know.![]()
Bet its pretty sad if Socrates is anything to go by. Not exactly the life and soul of the party was he ?
EDM at a wedding
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I once read at least half of Platos "Republic" and promised myself to finish it one day. But the bit about Socrates I did read was the day he took the Hemlock.Pretty depressing if I recall. But fascinating nevertheless. The "Symposium" looks like another heavy going text that I may one day download and attempt to read.herodotus wrote:Wrong again. Read the 'Symposium'. Non stop drinking and revelling.dellboy wrote:I do not know much 5th century BC Greek music Heroditus.herodotus wrote: As for myself, most of the music I admire most was made by people who died long before I was born. What that means I dont know.![]()
Bet its pretty sad if Socrates is anything to go by. Not exactly the life and soul of the party was he ?
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Of course you are right.herodotus wrote:
The Rite of Spring has both melody and structure. It is true that many people have trouble perceiving them, but that isn't Stravinsky's fault.
There are musical structures other than verse chorus verse chorus bridge verse chorus.
I doubt that I have ever listened to the whole thing to properly evaluate it.
EDM uses a similar approach of tension - dissonance - and release,except that classical music embodies all these theories through musical training and knowledge.I guess EDM dj's achieve a similar effect in realtime instinctively. Unless of course they are classically trained and then turn to EDM.
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This is pathetically inept. Dissonance, which one won't be real confident of your understanding of in context (none of EDM I ever heard was dissonant particularly. A lot is extremely conventional, in terms of sonority and form.), as the antithesis of "structure and melody" (dissonance is pretty much a vertical construct, melody unfolds horizontally, for starters) is just a statement of real ignorance.dellboy wrote: I suppose my point is that EDM has never gelled with me.
But neither did Stravinsky "The rite of spring"
Guess I am not a fan of dissonance.
I like music to have structure and melody.
I'd also advise against being proud to be a musical philistine, I mean unless the idea is to spread your particular sort of misery to no other point.
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You need to retrain your ears if you think that "The Rite of Spring" is not deliberately dissonant.jancivil wrote:This is pathetically inept. Dissonance, which one won't be real confident of your understanding of in context (none of EDM I ever heard was dissonant particularly. A lot is extremely conventional, in terms of sonority and form.), as the antithesis of "structure and melody" (dissonance is pretty much a vertical construct, melody unfolds horizontally, for starters) is just a statement of real ignorance.dellboy wrote: I suppose my point is that EDM has never gelled with me.
But neither did Stravinsky "The rite of spring"
Guess I am not a fan of dissonance.
I like music to have structure and melody.
I'd also advise against being proud to be a musical philistine, I mean unless the idea is to spread your particular sort of misery to no other point.
I admit that My knowledge of modern day EDM is tiny,but the small amount that I have heard contains deliberately dissonant chords and deviations from melodic form. My guess is that it is a tension /release thing.
And by the way,who told you that the Philistines were Philistine ?
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Depends on the age of the couple getting married. Young people grow up listening to that crap, so it's probably acceptable to them.
If it were my wedding and they played EDM, I would either kick the DJ out or take my bride and leave...
If it were my wedding and they played EDM, I would either kick the DJ out or take my bride and leave...
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I think that even teenage couples would have their aunts/uncles/parents/grandparents in attendance - they should all be catered for. I think...fluffy_little_something wrote:Depends on the age of the couple getting married. Young people grow up listening to that crap, so it's probably acceptable to them.
If it were my wedding and they played EDM, I would either kick the DJ out or take my bride and leave...
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It might have been a fake wedding. We've used that trick before to throw parties and get all the old folks and the authorities on board.Googly Smythe wrote:I think that even teenage couples would have their aunts/uncles/parents/grandparents in attendance - they should all be catered for. I think...fluffy_little_something wrote:Depends on the age of the couple getting married. Young people grow up listening to that crap, so it's probably acceptable to them.
If it were my wedding and they played EDM, I would either kick the DJ out or take my bride and leave...
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You need to learn to f**king read.dellboy wrote: You need to retrain your ears if you think that "The Rite of Spring" is not deliberately dissonant.
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EDM and dissonance..

Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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I don't have much interest in the EDM remarks, other than conflating them with Le Sacre because 'dissonant' is something you can't bear. You're just deeply ignorant about these terms. Tension and release? You disapprove?
What do you want to hear in music, totally placid all the time, I don't even know what. All ambient washes, all chill all the time? Don't bother with a reply, that's just rhetorical, I don't even care.
Then, your tack is to focus on the word 'philistine'?? What is that?! Everyone knows what I meant, with the possible exception of you in your amazing lack of understanding of... most everything here.
What do you want to hear in music, totally placid all the time, I don't even know what. All ambient washes, all chill all the time? Don't bother with a reply, that's just rhetorical, I don't even care.
Then, your tack is to focus on the word 'philistine'?? What is that?! Everyone knows what I meant, with the possible exception of you in your amazing lack of understanding of... most everything here.
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As to Le Sacre du Printemps, I know specifically what happens in it.
The opening high bassoon tune, a Lithuanian folk tune, for starters. It's all reducible to just 'dissonance', meaning there is no melody or structure? You haven't the first clue what you're talking about.
This absolutely typifies the total ignoramus as reactionary philistine. It's truly gross, son.
The opening high bassoon tune, a Lithuanian folk tune, for starters. It's all reducible to just 'dissonance', meaning there is no melody or structure? You haven't the first clue what you're talking about.
This absolutely typifies the total ignoramus as reactionary philistine. It's truly gross, son.
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I never learnt how to read "pompous".jancivil wrote:You need to learn to f**king read.dellboy wrote: You need to retrain your ears if you think that "The Rite of Spring" is not deliberately dissonant.
You seem very skilled in the language,perhaps you could teach me.