u-he refurbished Preset Browser discussion

[Urs]

Still has that annoying niggle where when you scroll "down", nothing happens, but when you scroll "up", you see the additional presets. I remember mentioning this a while back and Urs, you responded that it was on the list to fix. Yes, a small issue, but one I encounter quite frequently when scrolling through presets. Thanks for looking into it!

Scrollwheel direction is reversed in all u-he plugins. Yep, annoying over here as well.

Making scroll direction optional is gonna happen soon.

It's a result of Apple's "natural scroll direction" which I loathe.

[EvilDragon]

Natural, my ass. Scroll up if you wanna scroll the list down, makes a shitton of sense, Apple. "Think different", heh.


It only makes sense on touch devices, but not with mousewheels.

[zvenx]

Another possible limitation for me with a non editable favourites database is sometimes I move stuff.

It's something I always forget to put in our ticket system. I too think it's a good idea to store them in a text file as well. I'll bring it up!

Thank you.
rsp

[noiseboyuk]

Apologies if this has probably already been mentioned - in addition to defaulting to Any when a category is selected, I'd quite like it to also clear a previous search tag when changing categories. If you have selected Pads Acoustic then change category to Leads Reeds, this is then ADDED to Pads Acoustic, so you need to then manually clear Pads Acoustic - would be neater if the first tag auto-cleared?

I was trying to figure out what I did wrong as no presets were coming up with basic cateogory tag selections. On the first post it said repro-5 doesn' thave thoroughly tagged presets, so I thought there was basic tags maybe, but it doesn't seem that any category I've tried has any presets tagged. Right?

I found one! HS Profiteer. It's a little lonely...

[zvenx]

Apologies if this has probably already been mentioned - in addition to defaulting to Any when a category is selected, I'd quite like it to also clear a previous search tag when changing categories. If you have selected Pads Acoustic then change category to Leads Reeds, this is then ADDED to Pads Acoustic, so you need to then manually clear Pads Acoustic - would be neater if the first tag auto-cleared?

I was trying to figure out what I did wrong as no presets were coming up with basic cateogory tag selections. On the first post it said repro-5 doesn' thave thoroughly tagged presets, so I thought there was basic tags maybe, but it doesn't seem that any category I've tried has any presets tagged. Right?

I found one! HS Profiteer. It's a little lonely...

Hmmmm not sure if I agree with you here.

Some patches have multiple listings, and sometimes I want to look in more than one category......I prefer to manually unclick it.
Synthmaster one automatically selects more than one category as you click them and I quite like that.

rsp

[Urs]

If you want auto-cleared tag searches... simply browse from the Folder view...?

[noiseboyuk]

Weeeelllll..... yes, you might have a patch tagged Bass Analogue and Lead PWM, and that's a good and lovely thing. But it's unlikely you'd want to actively search for a patch that is both a Bass Analogue and a Lead PWM, surely? You'd be looking for one or the other. The Bass Analogue Lead PWM patch would be correctly returned if you search in either one or the categories, which is perfect. So defaulting to just searching for one category really does make more sense to me.

I've only just seen the folder view tags... nice, that might be quicker for simple searches, but it would still be most logical to me if wanting a bright and vintage patch to use the full tag system.

Cheers!

[Urs]

Sure - that's why we have this thread

[zvenx]

Weeeelllll..... yes, you might have a patch tagged Bass Analogue and Lead PWM, and that's a good and lovely thing. But it's unlikely you'd want to actively search for a patch that is both a Bass Analogue and a Lead PWM, surely? You'd be looking for one or the other. The Bass Analogue Lead PWM patch would be correctly returned if you search in either one or the categories, which is perfect. So defaulting to just searching for one category really does make more sense to me.

I've only just seen the folder view tags... nice, that might be quicker for simple searches, but it would still be most logical to me if wanting a bright and vintage patch to use the full tag system.

Cheers!

Hmmm....suppose I want something to play chords and not sure if it is in keys or pads that will work for the song.....either way. we will agree do disagree.
rsp

[zvenx]

Why would these two give different results?
What happens if you don't choose Any as opposed to choosing any?

[Urs]

Why would these two give different results?
What happens if you don't choose Any as opposed to choosing any?

Without "any" you just expand the bass category, but you haven't selected a tag yet.

It's the most controversial topic for us (heated debates on our intranet and in the kitchen).

My take: Clicking a top category should automatically add "any", while clicking on any sub category should remove the "any" sub-tag. But then, I guess there are other issues in the aftermath.

[zvenx]

...........

My take: Clicking a top category should automatically add "any", while clicking on any sub category should remove the "any" sub-tag. But then, I guess there are other issues in the aftermath.

Well to me it boils down to two things.
1. I agree with you.
2. You are the boss/head honcho/payer of wages etc.....





but seriously, the two tag systems I use most often are Native Instruments and Spectrasonics and both of them work the way without requiring hitting an 'Any' subcategory.
Even Steinberg's media bay which I don't use as often doesn't as well.
rsp

[EvilDragon]

Why would these two give different results?
What happens if you don't choose Any as opposed to choosing any?

Without "any" you just expand the bass category, but you haven't selected a tag yet.

It's the most controversial topic for us (heated debates on our intranet and in the kitchen).

My take: Clicking a top category should automatically add "any", while clicking on any sub category should remove the "any" sub-tag. But then, I guess there are other issues in the aftermath.

I really dunno why is this so heated. Just look at how Komplete Kontrol does it. Click on main category, ALL patches that have any tag from any of sub-categories are shown. Click on a sub-category, things get filtered out. There shouldn't be "Any" tag in the first place. Main category name should be a tag itself (and obviously, no need to duplicate the main category in sub-categories, that just makes no sense).

[Urs]

2. You are the boss/head honcho/payer of wages etc.....

I also take the liberty to trust my employees to figure out what's best in such details

I really dunno why is this so heated. Just look at how Komplete Kontrol does it. Click on main category, ALL patches that have any tag from any of sub-categories are shown. Click on a sub-category, things get filtered out. There shouldn't be "Any" tag in the first place. Main category name should be a tag itself.

Unlike Komplete we allow for tagging of just the top category without any subcategory. This was my idea as I, personally, am totally fine with tagging presets as just "Pad" or "Drum" whatsoever. Call me a lazy bum, but I think I'm right about this. The aftermath however is that in order to make these presets visible on their own, there had to be a Bass:Bass category (which some at u-he wish to call bass:none, omg, heated debates). Again, I, personally, don't give a dime whether I can see those alone or not. I just want to browse Pads when I look for Pads, and I just want to tag "Pad" when I got a pad sound.

However, display-wise there still needs to be a Keys:Keys category, otherwise the "only main category" tagged presets can't show what they are. And this leads to either inconsistent display, or - as we see - a confusing second step.

[pdxindy]

Why would these two give different results?
What happens if you don't choose Any as opposed to choosing any?

Without "any" you just expand the bass category, but you haven't selected a tag yet.

It's the most controversial topic for us (heated debates on our intranet and in the kitchen).

My take: Clicking a top category should automatically add "any", while clicking on any sub category should remove the "any" sub-tag. But then, I guess there are other issues in the aftermath.

I really dunno why is this so heated. Just look at how Komplete Kontrol does it. Click on main category, ALL patches that have any tag from any of sub-categories are shown. Click on a sub-category, things get filtered out. There shouldn't be "Any" tag in the first place. Main category name should be a tag itself (and obviously, no need to duplicate the main category in sub-categories, that just makes no sense).

I don't know why it is heated either... I've not heard a single advantage to having the extra step (which is confusing)

The reason there is a duplicate of the main category in the sub-categories, is because when adding tags, you can select 'Keys' without selecting a sub-category.