Bitwig Sampler Cuts frequencies > 15k (majkel was right)

[Hez]

Also, the hardware emulation thing was clearly a joke, just for reference.

I only mentioned it because some old hardware samplers had very low sample rates and thus would not be reproducing information anywhere near 20k, and plenty of people made good sounding tunes using those samplers.

[majkel]

but in digital world we need a transparent tools.. if we would like to colour a tracks we can add some plugins on, or real hardware..
BTW i hope that a bitwig devs will add a enhancement to a sampler, with not rolling off high freq.

[ejgallego]

I am sorry but you are very insistent on issues however you still don't understand basic notions about how digital audio works [such as claiming that 32bit floats lack dynamic range, or how does an antialiasing filter work]

Filling the forum with the same baseless posts again and again won't help anyone.

[majkel]

I am sorry but you are very insistent on issues however you still don't understand basic notions about how digital audio works [such as claiming that 32bit floats lack dynamic range, or how does an antialiasing filter work]

can you read and understand a whole topic??? filling a forum with yours opinions going to nowhere. if you have a nothing valuable to add here, simply stay away..
we found a differences between a samplers in few daws... and few of users dont want a roll off in high freq of bitwig sampler..(antialiasing filter from others works better???) end of story!
my understanding of DAW's work goes deep enough to work with it,and i hear a difference between (for example) magix samplitude and bitwig when i do playback mix. few other people hear it too.if you dont .. ok.

[trancema]

I am agreeing with majkel, this is issue and needs to be resolved, sampler should be transparent, perhaps optionally coloring algorithms wouldn't hurt .
I've mentioned in other thread where I've tested behavior of other DAW's samplers and the results were interesting:

- Bitwig's Sampler and Studio One's Sampler One are degrading sound in similar fashion above ~15kHz (I've measured all with 44.1 kHz sample rate), although to my ears Bitwig's Sampler sounds cleaner, especially when changing pitch other than a root note.
- Ableton's Simpler/Sampler, Cubase' Sampler track and (ancient) Apple Logic's (or should I say Emagic's) EXS24 are perfectly fine, same as original, also same could be said for 3rd party samplers - Nuance from New Sonic Arts and NI Maschine - no degradation or change to original.

TAL Sampler is different as it is sampler which is emulating old hardware, though even with "Sample Hold" algo (which should be cleanest one) is close to original, but not there, and to my ears TAL sounds fantastic and unique due to coloring "taste" and because of that it has been used when that "taste" is wanted.

[tedannemann]

Thank god, that I am not the only one stumbling over these things and always wondering why the hell people still claim that every DAW sound the same... (and yes, stock plugins are part of a DAW). OK, I don't want to get into this discussion right here but this is again one of several pieces of the puzzle leading to significant different sounding outcomes in different DAWs doing the same thing...

Anyway in Studio One you just have to deactivate the filter in Sample One because the filter section is responsible fo the degrading / filtering slope even with an untouched cutoff knob on 20k.

[trancema]

Thank god, that I am not the only one stumbling over these things and always wondering why the hell people still claim that every DAW sound the same... (and yes, stock plugins are part of a DAW). OK, I don't want to get into this discussion right here but this is again one of several pieces of the puzzle leading to significant different sounding outcomes in different DAWs doing the same thing...

Anyway in Studio One you just have to deactivate the filter in Sample One because the filter section is responsible fo the degrading / filtering slope even with an untouched cutoff knob on 20k.

Oh I agree with you about sound of the DAW and plugins, but that's another story.

Yes, I know about (terrible) filter in Sampler One, I've turned it off (also everything else, pitch, lfo, amp) when I was measuring.
I wanted to get as close results as possible, all samplers were tested without any filters and modulations with pure pink noise sample generated from fabfilter twin 2 and still there were differences.

[xx JPRacer xx]

but in digital world we need a transparent tools.. if we would like to colour a tracks we can add some plugins on, or real hardware..
BTW i hope that a bitwig devs will add a enhancement to a sampler, with not rolling off high freq.

You'll get a lot more coloring without that anti-aliasing filter. The filter is there for that exact reason!

[limitlesssss]

So now in Bitwig Studio 6.1, does the Bitwig Sampler still behave the same?

[pdxindy]

So now in Bitwig Studio 6.1, does the Bitwig Sampler still behave the same?

I have no idea what the behavior was 8 years ago.

I just loaded a sample in Sampler in 6.1 and played high notes and there was no rolloff at 15khz.

[limitlesssss]

So now in Bitwig Studio 6.1, does the Bitwig Sampler still behave the same?

I have no idea what the behavior was 8 years ago.

I just loaded a sample in Sampler in 6.1 and played high notes and there was no rolloff at 15khz.

Was your sample at 44.1kHz? Because I read the thread and apparently this behavior only occurs at 44.1kHz, and much less at 48kHz and apparently not at all at 96kHz.

[pdxindy]

Was your sample at 44.1kHz? Because I read the thread and apparently this behavior only occurs at 44.1kHz, and much less at 48kHz and apparently not at all at 96kHz.

The sample was 44.1 and my project was 48

[limitlesssss]

Was your sample at 44.1kHz? Because I read the thread and apparently this behavior only occurs at 44.1kHz, and much less at 48kHz and apparently not at all at 96kHz.

The sample was 44.1 and my project was 48

In that case, the “problem” appears to have been solved then. Thank you for your report pdxindy.