Arturia Synclavier V2 Is Out Now!

[Ingonator]

Just played Synclavier V2 while using it with the Eventide Blackhole Reverb. Since i got Blackhole really cheap at a sale around 6 months ago i have used it with many synths and like with other synths Synclavier V2 could sound really HUGE with it especially for pad sounds.

[noiseboyuk]

Numpty question that I really should know - how to you get an init patch on the Synclavier?!

Look for the Simple Sine preset

Blimey, thank you so much.

Re-saved as init!

[Harry_HH]

What I like in Synclavier especially, is that it can sound like no any other synth. I love in it most the "artificial" sounds, sounds which don't try to imitate any natural sound, or any other synth sound, but create their own "artificial sound universe".

[egbert101]

Will look for the update sale on Black Friday then.

[Ingonator]

Just started using my own samples in Synbclavier V2. As both the Carrier and the sample browser offer opening a file dialog to open your own files usually no "workaround" is necessary.

At Windows 10 64-bit the sample library is are stored at: C:\ProgramData\Arturia\Samples\Synclavier V

All samples there are automatically shown in the sample browser in the plugin. This is also the case if you add your own files to that folder.

If you load your samples from a different location and want to add it to the Synclavier V sample library you could click at the "Save current Sample In Library" button which is the right of teh 3 buttons at the upper left of the Carrier display in the plugin (when "Sample" is selected).

After that the sample is stored in a new "User" sub-folder at the file location mentioned above.
If you already added the file manually to the sample folder mentioned above the "Save current Sample In Library" might not do anything as the sample is already stored in the library (even if not stored at a "User" sub-folder).
When i started using my samples i had manually added my samples in the default folder metioned above and thought that the "Save current Sample In Library" is broken which is not the case.


FWIW currently it does not seem to be possible to use a sample longer than 30 seconds.
Resynthesis of sample that includes a single cycle waveform does not seem to properly import that waveform as additive partials, at least not with those i tried. With longer samples you could import up to 99 "frames" by resynthesis.


Using FM also seems to work when using a sample in the carrier.

[c_voltage]

Btw, it been seemed to me that Arturia's CMI V (which fairlight emul) has become somehow intersect by features with sinclavier after this update, no ? Ie it is even about - there is sense for have CMI V then ? Just, i'm still not have CMI V, so, not sure. But from images and videos born such feelings hehe.

[fluffy_little_something]

Does the Synclavier do those famous Fairlight voice/choir sounds?

[Ingonator]

Btw, it been seemed to me that Arturia's CMI V (which fairlight emul) has become somehow intersect by features with sinclavier after this update, no ? Ie it is even about - there is sense for have CMI V then ? Just, i'm still not have CMI V, so, not sure. But from images and videos born such feelings hehe.

Besides the fact that CMI V does not do FM the additive synthesis with the "Time Synth" in CMI V works differently to that in Synclavier V2.
In Synclavier V2 you could get up to 99 "frames" where each wave has up to 24 additive partials and each of the additive partials always uses a Sine wave. The time between the "frames" could be adjusted and each frame contains a wave for both the carrier and modulator. Besides that the FM amount has it's own envelope.

In the "Time Synth" of CMI V you get up to 32 partials and you could also use other waveforms than a Sine (while this is then the same for all partials).
Besides that each of the 32 additive partials got it's own multi stage Amp envelope which could lead to quite complex results.
Concerning resynthesis you could either import a sample into the "Time Synth" or you could convert a sound that was created with the "Time Synth" to a sample.

[c_voltage]

Btw, it been seemed to me that Arturia's CMI V (which fairlight emul) has become somehow intersect by features with sinclavier after this update, no ? Ie it is even about - there is sense for have CMI V then ? Just, i'm still not have CMI V, so, not sure. But from images and videos born such feelings hehe.

Besides the fact that CMI V does not do FM the additive synthesis with the "Time Synth" in CMI V works differently to that in Synclavier V2.
In Synclavier V2 you could get up to 99 "frames" where each wave has up to 24 additive partials and each of the additive partials always uses a Sine wave. The time between the "frames" could be adjusted and each frame contains a wave for both the carrier and modulator. Besides that the FM amount has it's own envelope.

In the "Time Synth" of CMI V you get up to 32 partials and you could also use other waveforms than a Sine (while this is then the same for all partials).
Besides that each of the 32 additive partials got it's own multi stage Amp envelope which could lead to quite complex results.
Concerning resynthesis you could either import a sample into the "Time Synth" or you could convert a sound that was created with the "Time Synth" to a sample.

Thanks. Well, just, initially i not exactly right did expression. More right would been "what now has CMI that not has Sinclavier" like that.
So, ok, as i understood the main moment this is some "Time synth" in CMI.

[sprnva]

I guess the main selling point of the CMI V compared to the Synclavier V is the Fairlight sample library. If that's something you would be interested in.

[c_voltage]

I guess the main selling point of the CMI V compared to the Synclavier V is the Fairlight sample library. If that's something you would be interested in.

Hm, perhaps yes as well.

[Ingonator]

The samples of CMI V in Windows 10 64-bit are found at: C:\ProgramData\Arturia\Samples\CMI V

Those could be used with the new sample playback and/or resynthesis feature in Synclavier V and you could also do FM with the samples loaded to a carrier.
A problem with many of those CMI V samples is that they produce a clicking noise when being looped.

Those who think that Synvclavier V2 sounds too "clean" could adjust the "Bit Depth", "Oversamling" and "Noise Floor" settings in the "System Parameters" at the "FX/Master" tab. The settings there are stored wit the patch so could use different settings for different patches.

[fmr]

Thanks. Well, just, initially i not exactly right did expression. More right would been "what now has CMI that not has Sinclavier" like that.
So, ok, as i understood the main moment this is some "Time synth" in CMI.

Also, the CMI V has a filter, while in the Synclavier V we has none (just anti-aliasing). This can lead to different results.

[Ingonator]

So, ok, as i understood the main moment this is some "Time synth" in CMI.

What i wanted to explain is that both Synclavier V2 and CMI V are capable of doing complex additive synthesis but the way it is done is really different with both.

The "frames" approach in Synclavier V2 might be more easy to understand and to work with than using multi stage envelopes for each of the 32 additive partials. On the other hand the way done in CMI V seems to be the "proper" way of doing complex additive synthesis.

The "frames" approach in Syncavier V2 is like having a wavetable but with adjustable time between the single waveforms (in waveatble each wave has then same length/time). So it might be closer to a mix of a classic wavetable and wave sequencing like done in the Korg Wavestation.

Besides that each "frame" contains two waveforms (each done with 24 additive partials/harmonics), one for the carrier and one for the modulator. The modulator is needed if you want to do FM.

[ChamomileShark]

I've been experimenting a bit with the resynthesis yesterday.

One thing that was suprising that you can ofter get better results, truer to the original sound, using only a small number of frames rather than the full 99.

For some reason even though complex sounds like a spoken phrase can be resynthesised reasonably well, so far things like gongs, cymbals come out sounding horrible.

Re the CMI and clicking of the looping - I found that some could be improved by relooping at a higher resolution (the CMI defaults to blocks of 256 samples??) but that often the least clicking was obtained by setting the loop points slightly off the zero crossing.

Comparing the two, I've never really got much of interest out of the TimeSynth in the CMI so I think now really it's only USP is the library which by and large you can get elsewhere. The sort of exception is that you can import other original CMI samples (which you can find on the net but are a bit of a fiddle to read them from the disk images). Unfortunately, in the last version of CMI, it lost the looping information - I reported it to Arturia. It may have been fixed in this last update.