Music production : why noobs are noobs ?

[Bombadil]

i think these days, everybody tries to do too many jobs

when i first went into studios, the band played, everyone else had a diff job.

recording engineer
mixing engineer
producer etc etc

and then the mastering house

not all of this even happened in the same city sometimes

of course, now you can have more control over what you do and sound like, but if you don't know what you're doing....

Yes, that is a valid point. I find wearing all the necessary hats very tiring, most of the time. It would be nice to just play the music and have someone else take care of the engineering, production, and mastering. We have more control, but at the expense of expertise in most of the necessary tasks.

[lfm]

"Want to use all your tools." Another noob mistake, one that I fell into more than once.

Agreed - and I would also claim "using all your instruments - at the same time" as well is common noob thingy.

To let instruments come and go - have some air in there.
It will be more interesting to listen to as well, as something is happening - just not stacking more instruments on top of what is there already.

Horn sections are typical example what just fills in certain passages. You can use any set of instruments like that.

And it's a bit hard - kill your darlings - since you love certain sounds/instruments so much. But for the greater good, sometimes you have to.

A bit different what kind of developed drama you want depending on genre of course - keeping a dance floor going or music made for listening only taking listener places.

But a lot of arrangements use this cleverly to have the crowd or choir sing along while just one or two instruments are going etc. But you need a strong melody for that to work.

[Hink]

It is a question I have in head everyday

Because you have a never-ending difficulty hearing high frequencies, Notre Dame:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=517235&p=7266055#p7266055

not too mention his thread he started about hearing loss that I zapped...replying to this thread is akin to snipe hunting...a fool's errand

[chk071]

Again??

[an-electric-heart]

I think being good at mixing is just matter of getting your ear dial-ed in, and it takes time. The better I get, the less I do to a mix, I'm able to go "that track sounds fine", whereas in the past I'd be adding all sorts of processing to absolutely everything... just because. I guess noobs "do too much" to sum it up.

And... something real specific to rock music. When people begin mixing a standard rock band, they always make the drums too quite. Drums gotta be loud yo!

[mrj1nx]

I think something I realised is there is no shortcuts when it comes to mixing/production. And so much bad information on the internet. Buy a proper book and really learn the stuff the way you would at a school. Once reading that book it helps to weed out bad info online as well. And dont skip steps because its too basic. Some of the things that helped me the most was stuff I knew about for a long time but just didnt apply during production, like dealing with (and thinking about during the production/sound choice/tweaking etc) frequency masking/collision between instruments.

[SODDI]

everyone is a noob at some time. everyone in this peculiar little demi-monde is more or less forced to be an auto-didact always and forever.

Save the noobs; save the world.

[yehboy1]

It's pretty simple: he who uses the most effects, wins.

[vurt]

it helps to weed out

[thecontrolcentre]

It's pretty simple: he who uses the most effects, wins.

Yay! I won

[gaf_thit]

Another tip, lay off the q-tip...

Don't go to concerts without protecting your ears.

On and on it seems to go, you don't know what you got till it's gone.

[donkey tugger]

And... something real specific to rock music. When people begin mixing a standard rock band, they always make the drums too quite. Drums gotta be loud yo!

Exactly. Hi-hats always too f**king loud too..

[jancivil]

So there AREN'T snipes in the wild?






Wait, I don't even know what a snipe tf even is.
But I figured from the post this Notre Dame or whatever the handle is today did at more/less the same time as this one, askin' abouts teh claps something something at 7 seconds, they are about one step short of profoundly deaf... and that from the fact of posting that track, per se...



so I wasn't on the hunt even for The Truth, but a lot of 'just sayin' same as I ever do.

[Hink]

So there AREN'T snipes in the wild?






Wait, I don't even know what a snipe tf even is.
But I figured from the post this Notre Dame or whatever the handle is today did at more/less the same time as this one, askin' abouts teh claps something something at 7 seconds, they are about one step short of profoundly deaf... and that from the fact of posting that track, per se...



so I wasn't on the hunt even for The Truth, but a lot of 'just sayin' same as I ever do.

A snipe hunt is a type of practical joke, in existence in North America as early as the 1840s, in which an unsuspecting newcomer is duped into trying to catch a non-existent animal called a snipe. While snipe are an actual family of birds, a snipe hunt is a quest for an imaginary creature whose description varies.

The target of the prank is led to an outdoor spot and given instructions for catching the snipe; these often include waiting in the dark and holding an empty bag or making noises to attract the creature. The others involved in the prank then leave the newcomer alone in the woods to discover the joke.

[Bombadil]

And I thought it was an invention for the movie 'Up.'

My one and only attempt at summer camp...we were told to find the 'left-handed monkey wrench.' Bolloxes.