SONAR 4 Surround....

[Evan]

All I can say is that this looks VERY VERY interesting indeed. If VST/VSTi/ASIO are integrated into the software without going through obtrusive wrappers then this can be a winner. Also, I am hoping the scoring facilities are beefed up in this release. They've always been easy to use but way too limited for more serious scoring tasks.

[kuniklo]

It sounds like they added all the features I was missing most from Cubase. Track folders, freeze, clip mute, loop record. I'm impressed. This is more than I thought they'd be able to accomplish in this release.

The one thing I've come to absolutely rely upon in Live 4 is clip envelopes though. I won't go back to a host without them. I can't tell for sure from the announcement but it doesn't sound like Sonar 4 has these.

The continuing lack of native VST support is a little disappointing too.

[wrench45us]

it appears that one could upgrade from Sonar 3 Producer to Sonar 4 Studio if one wasn't interested in surround sound
the only thing lose would be
Sonitus fx Suite (which are in Sonar 3 PE) and I assume still usable if stored away from th einstall
and eq per track and dynamic bussing

for someone who's hand are full just trying to get a good stereo mix that might be an option.

[Alfalfa]

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[torhan]

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The one thing I've come to absolutely rely upon in Live 4 is clip envelopes though. I won't go back to a host without them. I can't tell for sure from the announcement but it doesn't sound like Sonar 4 has these.

Sonar has had Clip Envelopes. Unless I misunderstand what you mean? Plus, they've added clip-mute, etc.

[billybk1]

The one thing I've come to absolutely rely upon in Live 4 is clip envelopes though. I won't go back to a host without them. I can't tell for sure from the announcement but it doesn't sound like Sonar 4 has these.

Is this what you are refering to:

Loop construction enhancements: slice-based envelope control of gain, pitch, pan; slice preview; auto-loop


It looks like you will be able to slice existing loops and then put individual gain,pitch & pan envelopes on each slice

....and also

Enhanced comping and editing features: clip muting, partial-clip muting, auto-crop tool with cross-fade mode, audition selection, isolate, nudge


Now I've been wanting a nudge feature for the longest time, nice to have one now!

[Stupid American Pig]

When I am no longer bound by an NDA I will post my thoughts.

[kuniklo]

Sonar has had Clip Envelopes. Unless I misunderstand what you mean? Plus, they've added clip-mute, etc.

By clip envelopes I mean Live-style automation envelopes that attach to the clip and move with it. Sonar 3 didn't have these. In fact, Sonar 3's automation was one of the things that led me to stop using it. Sounds like S4 has some interesting new stuff in that department.

[torhan]

Sonar has had Clip Envelopes. Unless I misunderstand what you mean? Plus, they've added clip-mute, etc.

By clip envelopes I mean Live-style automation envelopes that attach to the clip and move with it. Sonar 3 didn't have these. In fact, Sonar 3's automation was one of the things that led me to stop using it. Sounds like S4 has some interesting new stuff in that department.

Ok...thanks for the clarification!

[christianmusicmaker]

Configurable Pan law (six stereo panning laws supported)


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyone who frequents the cakewalk forums will understand this LOL!

I sure do understand it Eric!!!!!!!

[Sequent]

Looks pretty exciting.

[christianmusicmaker]

One of the most amazing aspects for me is that Sonar 4 producer has probably the best collection of plugs in any sequencer on the PC at the moment.

1.Lexicon® Pantheon™ Surround Reverb
2.Lexicon® Pantheon™ Reverb
3.Sonitus Surround Compressor
4.Sonitus fx Suite

a.31 audio effects
b.4 DXi soft synths
c.14 MFX!

Finally a package on the PC that can match Logic pro for FX,(my view) I think Logic has Pow-r dithering as well.

I think all the native DSP - FX chorus, reverb , eq e.t.c have had a makeover as well, bottom right of the picture...

Chorus and Reverb

[Stupid American Pig]

thats not the native chorus and reverb

[baggio]

I am just hoping that the freeze function works as well as it sounds and then I will be fairly happy. Of course I will probably have to go through edirol which is a pain but thats another story.

Also, don't know that much about this MPEX time streching - anyone care to share some light on its advantages.

[christianmusicmaker]

Also, don't know that much about this MPEX time streching - anyone care to share some light on its advantages.

MPEX2 Feature List:

Minimum Perceived Loss Technology for crystal clear sound

Works equally well with musically monophonic and polyphonic material

No reverberation, no phasiness

Time Stretching (10% - 1000% of original length, accuracy < 0.01%) and Pitch Shifting (+/- 24 semitones, resolution down to cent)

Formant Correction for pitch shift, works with musically monophonic and polyphonic material

Simultaneous dynamic time stretching and pitch shifting

5.1 and 6.1 Channel Format support

96kHz compatible

Preset settings for classic, voiceover and percussive material

Transcribe mode for fast integer factor time scaling for music transcription purposes

http://mpex.prosoniq.com/