Piano Roll - What's the next best DAW after FL Studio?

[vurt]

back when i first started using a pooter for moosics, i tried fl, it was quite similar to orion as i remember, but it gave me a headache using it (probably related to how dark it was and eye strain) so i didn't spend a lot of time with it.
but compared to protools or cubase it's definitely more in orions ease of use, regards midi entry.

[vurt]

^^^ "It has all of those features, except maybe the "cut note in half" shortcut," try right shift + the left/right mouse buttons

note slicing in orion was great, need a fast spurt drum roll? one long note, press s a few times, drill beats!!!! drrrrrrrrp!

[Dionysos]

^^^ "It has all of those features, except maybe the "cut note in half" shortcut," try right shift + the left/right mouse buttons

I'm aware of that, but I think Bones is talking about a keyboard-only shortcut that just cuts whatever note is selected in half, without having to aim and click. FL's quick-chop (Ctrl/Cmd+U) is similar, but it chops to the grid instead.

[vurt]

^^^ "It has all of those features, except maybe the "cut note in half" shortcut," try right shift + the left/right mouse buttons

I'm aware of that, but I think Bones is talking about a keyboard-only shortcut that just cuts whatever note is selected in half, without having to aim and click. FL's quick-chop (Ctrl/Cmd+U) is similar, but it chops to the grid instead.

yup, in orion, select notes you want slicing (or it will just do all) and press s.

x and y will also flip the sequence by the X or y axis.

there's a few others i can't recall too

[melomood]

back when i first started using a pooter for moosics, i tried fl, it was quite similar to orion as i remember, but it gave me a headache using it (probably related to how dark it was and eye strain) so i didn't spend a lot of time with it.
but compared to protools or cubase it's definitely more in orions ease of use, regards midi entry.

Dude. Same, but lifetime update license deal and they made it a vsti, which keeps me hanging on since Orion ended.

[vurt]

back when i first started using a pooter for moosics, i tried fl, it was quite similar to orion as i remember, but it gave me a headache using it (probably related to how dark it was and eye strain) so i didn't spend a lot of time with it.
but compared to protools or cubase it's definitely more in orions ease of use, regards midi entry.

Dude. Same, but lifetime update license deal and they made it a vsti, which keeps me hanging on since Orion ended.

yeah, i can see why so many choose it.
especially beginners, as the others do look a bit boring mostly and not very inviting.
ok, they're designed as tools, but give em a lick of paint so i don't feel like im opening a spreadsheet to do my taxes (which ive never done but hear things...).

[xbitz]

^^^ + most of the native plugins can be automated per note based directly from the piano roll

so it's nicely integrated into the system

[LoveEnigma18]

^^^ + most of the native plugins can be automated per note based directly from the piano roll

so it's nicely integrated into the system

I am actually waiting for this to work with non-native plugins because I hardly use any native plugins. Not sure it will ever happen. I use FL Studio only as a DAW and I feel it REALLY needs to step up for what it is (DAW) rather than wasting time on stuff like Patcher, plugins, etc.

[xbitz]

^^^ I would start to use Studio One from splice https://splice.com/daws/38892279-studio ... y-presonus the rent to own construction is 17$ per month and can be canceled/continued anytime (there is dunno 3-5 days free tryout period)

this is my state I've started to like Cubase (with BlueCat Patchwork finally able to route MIDI in without too much PITA) so canceled it but almost have an S4

so it works, patterns are nice in S1, I just simply like the GUI of Cubase better that's all

[BONES]

In Orion, you just press "S" and every selected note, or every note if there is no selection, is cut in half. It's a really quick way to turn a pattern full of quarter notes into a pattern full of 16ths. e.g. To turn a pad part into a bassline.

I wouldn't be surprised if the way Orion works/ed was directly inspired by FL, or the other way around.

Orion had a PR years before Fruityloops did, so I'd say Rich helped Gol out with it. They used to help each other out quite a bit in the early days.

FL is more like a video game in that it defined its own opinionated, non-standard control paradigm that more or less ignores OS conventions, but is super optimised for its use case. So it's not super straightforward to copy that for the developers of other sequencers, unless they were willing to either massively sacrifice in-app consistency or go all-in on this control paradigm.

That's not strictly true. What it really comes down to, and when it was pointed out to me I realised it was the same with Orion, is which tool is selected by default. The "Freehand Paint" tool in Studio One's PR is actually pretty good - click and drag out any note length you like, then click again to delete (CTRL+Click to edit). If that was the default selection in the PR in S1, I'd be happy enough with it. It's still annoying that it doesn't remember note lengths but that's why it's not as good as Orion's. But it definitely doesn't have to conform to OS norms, it's a choice they all seem to make. In Orion, it was a simple matter of Rich taking a user's advice and changing which was the default tool, from the Select tool to the Draw tool. It made all the difference.

[LoveEnigma18]

^^^ I would start to use Studio One from splice https://splice.com/daws/38892279-studio ... y-presonus the rent to own construction is 17$ per month and can be canceled/continued anytime (there is dunno 3-5 days free tryout period)

this is my state I've started to like Cubase (with BlueCat Patchwork finally able to route MIDI in without too much PITA) so canceled it but almost have an S4

so it works, patterns are nice in S1, I just simply like the GUI of Cubase better that's all

Exactly why I would avoid trying/using any other DAW if at all.