Why does most electronic Industrial music follow such a similar formula?

[vurt]

hey now! that nonsense, is part of kvr.
if anyone is guilty of it, it's me normally! it's not like he was being malicious, just "daft"

[vurt]

pansonic. pan am.

agree. I would also add stuff like Wolf Eyes, Black Dice, etc. Different takes on sound, without a lot of the baggage that industrial has.

yup, im not so much in to the ebm type stuff, the more clubby stuff, unless im at an event, but to sit at home, no thanks.
but the folks who for want of a better phrase, destroy sound, in interesting ways, that! i love!
the pansonic album is the perfect album imo, it hits and never lets up, and grips you and drags you along with it!!! how do you start at 10!!! but keep adding???? they only go to 10!!!! (except spinal tap of course).

im not affiliated with the band, but i am very high

[Synthack]

hey now! that nonsense, is part of kvr.
if anyone is guilty of it, it's me normally! it's not like he was being malicious, just "daft"

It just caught me off guard, but ya I need to just approach everything far more chill and stick to that old KVR "Anything goes" kind of attitude. My bad.

[cryophonik]

This video kind of showcases how easy it to make too.

Meh, I’d say that video is pretty much irrelevant because it really just shows how to make a half ass version of something resembling industrial. You could make a similar video for any genre. That said, I was into industrial and similar genres back in the 80s and 90s, but sorta lost interest in anything new by the early 2000s, so I can’t really comment on the current state of industrial/EBM.

[experimental.crow]

hey now! that nonsense, is part of kvr.
if anyone is guilty of it, it's me normally! it's not like he was being malicious, just "daft"

It just caught me off guard, but ya I need to just approach everything far more chill and stick to that old KVR "Anything goes" kind of attitude. My bad.

when you stop taking us , and yourself , so seriously ,
you'll find this a community you enjoy to inhabit ...

[Constructed Identity]

I've had parts of Korn. Even when I don't remember eating any

Then you used that inspiration to write your music ?

Oh look at you being all clever and stuff

Look at you trying to be funny. One thing I've learned about ppl like you is you are completely fine taking potshots at people you don't disagree with or dislike to try and flamebait them into getting banned. I know your kind too well.

Half the time most people can see right through your little games where you think you are being really sneaky.

Go troll another thread.

Wow we've got a real flame baiter here.
I should know better. 100% of the topics started by "this music sucks..." are going to be this.
Really sick of my attempts to reach out to other people, it is never a good idea.

[zerocrossing]

It's because bands don't really exist now
No, it is because most of it always sucked, you just never heard the worse stuff. The best of it is remembered and it colors your perception.
The first point is also true, but there is more to it : capitalism destroys radicalism, radical art.
People don't buy it. It goes away.

Yah ok coming from a guy who makes this stuff.




Very funny. Go another topic.

He’s correct, though. Also, you didn’t have to stipulate “electronic Industrial music.” Almost all pop music is boring and formulaic.

[BONES]

I think the first four records are all really good, then they became mostly derivative. Download was better at that point.

I like Bites and Remission, which I got on a single CD in 1986, but the only other studio albums of theirs I rate are Cleanse, Fold and Manipulate and Too Dark Park. I've not heard any Download, or any other side-project, I like even a little bit.

Front 242 and Skinny Puppy opened the doors for Industrial to be dance music exclusively. Not that Cabaret Voltaire's and Psychic TV's Acid House phase helped.

But that's the thing, it's where they all went - SPK, Test Dept, Die Krupps, all of them ended up doing some kind of dance music. Of course, Nitzer Ebb were like that from the start and showed everyone else how popular it could be. I think theirs is the EBM blueprint more than anyone else's.

You're a purist, and too into an elitist attitude.

Not at all, I just don't like that stuff. Like Download and other things you probably like, it's got too much dance music stuff in it, like 808 kicks and shit that I really hate. It reminds me more of Bjork (who I also hate) than anything Industrial.

The fact they have backing to do good videos isn't a realistic reason to dislike a band.

No but it is an indication that it's more of a marketing exercise than serious art. It's full of all those pretentious Goth trappings you said yesterday you don't like.

Skynd have multiple markers of Industrial music, the serial killer theme alone for one.

That would make Talking Heads Industrial. I don't think there is any lyrical topic that defines something as Industrial. It's in the delivery, not the words.

You just said that no Skinny Puppy album is good all the way through, keep your story straight, makes it sound like you're just trying to be contradictory.

But none of it is so bad that I'd want to skip tracks, except Last Rights, which I haven't listened to in 30-odd years. Mind: TPI is another one I never listen to because there are definitely tracks in that I'd want to skip. And the interesting thing I find is that tracks I initially feel might be worth skipping can end up feeling like the better tracks after a few listens. e.g. When I first got Boom Boom Satellite's Embrace album, I was tempted to skip Snow but now I think Snow is one of the stronger tracks on the album. If you've not heard any Boom Boom Satellites, you should check them out. I think you might like what they do.

Skynd singer is Swiss, they formed, in... drum roll... Australia. Pink Floyd are British, and Skinny Puppy are from Canada. The only American band I've mentioned is Ministry. i3Peak are obviously Russian. Xenophobia fits you well though.

It doesn't matter where they come from, it's how they sound and Skynd sound very American to me. There is a lot of Australian music I'd classify as sounding American and nothing at all I'd classify as sounding Australian. There just isn't an Australian sound in modern music, it's all either UK or US influenced.

Yes, Industrial in general has always been bigger in Europe. The pool here is small, so you're not really going to get a lot of bands to choose from. But you make whatever Xenophobic nationalistic nonsense you desperately want to make out of that.

If you can't hear how different it sounds, there is something wrong with your hearing. e.g. There are no European bands that sound like Hate Dept or 16 Volt. It's just not a style you'd hear over there but there are dozens of US bands with a similar sound. It's hard to define what it is but they are just very different sounds. Some bands, like Skinny Puppy, FLA and Numb (all from Vancouver), transcend that difference but most stuff I can easily put into one camp or the other. KMFDM, for example, have a very American sound and the difference between Ministry and Rammstein is very obvious, even though to outsiders they would sound the same, I imagine.

[BONES]

Because personally my favorite records are mostly embryonic changes in the music genre that the band does, not the full on change.

How old are you? I can remember a time when EBM didn't exist as a genre, or if it did exist I was totally unaware of it. It's something that I cleaved onto when I found out it existed, which would have been around 1992, because it basically encapsulated all the things I like in the music I listen to. But nothing has ever automatically been awesome just because it's EBM, there has always been a lot more dross than gold.

Case in point, Cabarete Voltaire. Their early stuff is just unformed noise, I like it but I never really throw on Red Mecca, etc. That period isn't as interesting to me. When they put out Living Legends and later Microphonies, that's where I thought they were on to something. Combining Dada style ideas with rock and pop. Later they just became a dance band, it's mostly well crafted but the uniqueness is gone.

I always thought they were a great example of a band who probably always wanted to be where they ended up, they just had to learn their craft and grow into it. It would be interesting to know but I'd be surprised if they thought The Crackdown was their best album. (The Crackdown is far and away their best album.)

Same with Throbbing Gristle, I like their early stuff, but the last record when they had solidified a sort of in between Industrial and veering on that techno pop thing Chris Carter loves so much is where it's super solid to me. Heathen Earth IMO is their most complete sounding record.

I could never get into any of that stuff, none of it grabs me at all.

Ministry's Land of rape and Honey has them not really a Metal band, and not a pop band, but doing some sort of Techno Industrial with Metal tinges.

Maybe not Heavy Metal but definitely Heavy Rock. But again, probably just a part of their journey, not what they would consider their best years.

I could go on and on with this, but it really boils down to, sometimes when bands take chances it's better IMO, when they stay the course they become the Ramones where they release 30 records that are just worse versions of their first one.

Poor choice, later Ramones albums are different enough from their earlier stuff. They grew up and slowed down a bit. I think they are a great example of staying true to your sound but growing and filling out your oeuvre, expanding what a Ramones song can be. Pleasant Dreams was the departure point, it was so different from what had gone on previously that it freed them to do whatever they wanted to after that.

I'm not surprised you don't like Skynd or i3Peak, the fact they don't neatly fit into a genre isn't an issue to me.

Full of yourself much? I don't give a shit about genres and pretty much the only EBM/Industrial music I listen to these days is our own. Most of what I listen to is Post Punk, both old and new. Again, I didn't even realise PP was an actual genre until about 10 years ago, I thought it was just a descriptor used to identify music that came after punk. The interesting thing is that once I realised it existed, I also realised that half my music collection, and almost everything I actually listen to, fitted neatly into it. It's such a broad, diverse genre. It's been a real revelation because it has made it easy for me to discover a whole lot of music I might otherwise never have found. Weirdly, I don't like Joy Division, though, who are generally credited as the first PP band. A lot of American stuff there, like Urban Verbs (old), Moving Units and Actors (both new).

[melomood]

I've had parts of Korn. Even when I don't remember eating any

Then you used that inspiration to write your music ?

Oh look at you being all clever and stuff

Look at you trying to be funny. One thing I've learned about ppl like you is you are completely fine taking potshots at people you don't disagree with or dislike to try and flamebait them into getting banned. I know your kind too well.

Half the time most people can see right through your little games where you think you are being really sneaky.

Go troll another thread.

Wow we've got a real flame baiter here.
I should know better. 100% of the topics started by "this music sucks..." are going to be this.
Really sick of my attempts to reach out to other people, it is never a good idea.

There's a fair bit of a 'Mama he made me eat the pie' going on there

[Synthack]

It gave me a lot to think about as far the feedback I got. Also got to add a bunch of new foes to my block list as well so that's good.

Honestly I don't have time to debate with those kind of losers, so stay trashy folks.

I'll close this and let the trolls in this thread go find someone else's thread to pollute. Just want to send a shout out to those who actually contributed with discussion, thanks.