Syntronik 2 Discussions

[zzz00m]

I already installed the free syntronik 2 cs and use that for my syntronik 1 synths, but want the editing. So I guess I either upgrade v1 to v2 (which I think upgrades all the synths you already have to editing capable, or am I wrong?), or I do the group buy, which will make available only the synths that I get new as V2 for editing, and abandon those from V1?

The all new v2 synths should be 100% wave set editing capable. But v1 synths that are "upgraded" to v2 only have some added v2 presets with the additional wave sets. The existing v1 presets are not upgraded because that would require additional wave sets that don't exist.

One plus is that all instruments will run in the free Syntronik 2 CS version. However, the v1 presets will behave the same as always, but without the enhanced editing capabilities of the v2 editor. Only the presets specifically made for v2 can do that.

[Teksonik]

Ok so that answers the question if all the version 1 content will be available in the edit page. Only some of it then.

So all the V1 presets will be available in V2 but only some of the sample content will be available as wavesets to use in the four Oscs on the edit page?

I wonder of there is a list somewhere of what content for each V1 instrument is available as V2 wavesets?

I'm not concerned with presets I just want access to as much sample content as possible for the Oscs on the edit page to create my own presets.

[zzz00m]

I wonder of there is a list somewhere of what content for each V1 instrument is available as V2 wavesets?

Nope. Not yet, anyways...

[Teksonik]

So not going to happen. Ok well if the GB hits 33 or more than 11 we'll find out.

So the wavesets aren't really samples per se they are presets that can be loaded into the 4 Oscs? That's why the V1 samples can't be loaded?

Damn every time I think I've got it figured out....

Oh well, 9 for the price of 1 now has to be considered a no-brainer deal for the price and we can still keep version 1 installed if needed.

[zzz00m]

So the wavesets aren't really samples per se they are presets that can be loaded into the 4 Oscs? That's why the V1 samples can't be loaded?

The wave sets contain the multi-samples that were recorded from the original synth. Many of them were recorded with the synth in various configurations, such as the number of oscillators active, filter settings, on-board FX, etc. Be sure to look for the "raw" wave sets that you can use for your own sound design.

Some of the v1 instrument presets were mentioned in the preset comments as square, saw, triangle, etc., to be used for your custom sound design, for example the instrument presets "Saw J-60" or the "Saw 1-Osc MiniM".

Not sure how this will play out with v2 presets/wave sets until I get my hands on them...

[emulator01]

My biggest problem is the blurry GUI. Absolutely terrible and for me therefore no reason to buy the product.
This should be solved by IK.

[ians]

I expect this has been asked before, but is it not possible to mix oscillators from different synths? It only shows the ones from the same synth or am I missing something? Seems like an obvious feature to me.

[Teksonik]

So the wavesets aren't really samples per se they are presets that can be loaded into the 4 Oscs? That's why the V1 samples can't be loaded?

The wave sets contain the multi-samples that were recorded from the original synth. Many of them were recorded with the synth in various configurations, such as the number of oscillators active, filter settings, on-board FX, etc. Be sure to look for the "raw" wave sets that you can use for your own sound design.

Some of the v1 instrument presets were mentioned in the preset comments as square, saw, triangle, etc., to be used for your custom sound design, for example the instrument presets "Saw J-60" or the "Saw 1-Osc MiniM".

Not sure how this will play out with v2 presets/wave sets until I get my hands on them...

I just installed Version 2 of the SY99. It contains 51 wavesets that can be used on the edit page.

It has 44 new instrument presets that can be edited. The version 1 presets just give an error message when trying to open the edit page.

[Teksonik]

My biggest problem is the blurry GUI. Absolutely terrible and for me therefore no reason to buy the product.
This should be solved by IK.

This should have never gotten past the first beta version of Syntronik 2.

How IK could think a version 2 should have a lower quality GUI than version 1 is just baffling.

It's not a deal breaker for me but when you put version 1 next to V2 especially on the browser page the difference is quite noticeable and not something that anyone at IK should have missed.

[Teksonik]

I expect this has been asked before, but is it not possible to mix oscillators from different synths? It only shows the ones from the same synth or am I missing something? Seems like an obvious feature to me.

No it's not possible and you're right it's an obvious feature which is why IK missed it.

All they need is a generic "front end" that would allow loading of any waveset from any instrument.

You can of course use the 4 layers to mix wavesets but since IK didn't think to add a global effects chain you'll end up duplicating FX which adds CPU demand.

[zzz00m]

I expect this has been asked before, but is it not possible to mix oscillators from different synths? It only shows the ones from the same synth or am I missing something? Seems like an obvious feature to me.

No it's not possible and you're right it's an obvious feature which is why IK missed it.

All they need is a generic "front end" that would allow loading of any waveset from any instrument.

Well, if there were 50 wave sets from 33 synths, that would mean the wave set browser would need to handle 1,650 wave sets. Maybe IK dumbed it down for the user.

Because they are likely already using a generic common framework for the synth engine used by the instruments and the wave sets. It's probably an easy technical to-do to open them up across the board.

[Teksonik]

Well, if there were 50 wave sets from 33 synths, that would mean the wave set browser would need to handle 1,650 wave sets. Maybe IK dumbed it down for the user.

Because they are likely already using a generic common framework for the synth engine used by the instruments and the wave sets. It's probably an easy technical to-do to open them up across the board.

There should be no limitation to the number of wavesets that could show up in the browser. Sure it would require a ton of scrolling but there should be no technical limit. The tabs at top should help cut the number shown all at once.

But anyway no matter what it is, if it's not in there now it's likely not going to be added unless there is a Syntronik 3 so IK can sell that to us as well......

[DarkStar]

^^^
The Wave Set Browser has some property filters (Single Oscillator, Multiple Oscillators, PWM, Sync and Full Patch). They could be extended.

If you are feeling brave (i.e. at your own risk) you could try copying a wave set file from one synth's folder to another, rename it, then see if you can load it.

[Octave_Jumper]

just in case anyone finds that some of their Syner-V presets aren't loading, the installer had placed about half the samples in a new subfolder called something like Syntronik Sound Content, so I had to cut and paste them back into the main Syner-V samples folder.

Enjoying playing with these new synths. The samples are great and I've always liked IK's modeled filters.

[zzz00m]

If you are feeling brave (i.e. at your own risk) you could try copying a wave set file from one synth's folder to another, rename it, then see if you can load it.

Well I tried that and it failed to work.

I have the J-60 v2 and the V-80 v2, tried copying the J-60 "J-60 Square.st4i" wave set to the V-80 Wave Sets folder. Re-scanned the database and restarted Syntronik 2. Nothing new.

I suspect that since the wave set file is rather small it just contains pointers to the larger encrypted monolithic sample folder for a given instrument that is found in the relevant Samples folder as a *.pak file.