"lay, lady lay, lay across my big brass bed" bob dylan.Neon Breath wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:00 pmNo thanks. Up to you backup your claims, not me.
Is the Virtual Instrument era over?
- addled muppet weed
- 111242 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
Exactly... Where is he getting all these 'facts' and figures?
And the onus is on him to prove it too.
I will take the Lord's name in vain, whenever I want. Hail Satan! And his little goblins too. 
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- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 27 Apr, 2016
I think it is just living happily inside everyone's computers. Once you have got to 97pct of everything you need you just won't be buying more of the same... a new VA, a new WT.. has to be something superb to buy with all the super instruments we have available. My music is made 97pct ITB and I am extremely happy with that way of working personally speaking.
- addled muppet weed
- 111242 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
ftr, i love my hardware, in recent years, ive predominantly used hardware, with the computer being nothing more than a two track recorder, recording a performance. no editing post recording, straight to youtube livestream. so you could say pretty much dawless.
i would still argue, plugins outweigh hardware, in units, more than enough to compensate for the higher margin on an individual piece of hardware.
meaning they're as likely if not more so to survive the cost of living crisis, i am more likely to spend 50 quid on a plug in than 500 on a piece of hardware, in the current economic climate and id imagine most people would do the same, as it's quite hard to justify big expenses at the moment but we all live a new toy occasionally.
a few hardware companies have folded too, and the chip shortage doesn't seem to be passing very quickly. not that it will end the hardware market, people will always want to make music somehow.
some will want a modern itb system, some a more hands on, it's not a contest.
i would still argue, plugins outweigh hardware, in units, more than enough to compensate for the higher margin on an individual piece of hardware.
meaning they're as likely if not more so to survive the cost of living crisis, i am more likely to spend 50 quid on a plug in than 500 on a piece of hardware, in the current economic climate and id imagine most people would do the same, as it's quite hard to justify big expenses at the moment but we all live a new toy occasionally.
a few hardware companies have folded too, and the chip shortage doesn't seem to be passing very quickly. not that it will end the hardware market, people will always want to make music somehow.
some will want a modern itb system, some a more hands on, it's not a contest.
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
There was never era of virtual instruments, it just is. They will never vanish they will ever be. People will still use them.
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- KVRist
- 122 posts since 24 Aug, 2021
Plus it's much easier to hide a plugin purchase from the missus than another 61 key space invader or so I heard 
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- KVRAF
- 1892 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK
Let me have a think. Oh yeah. You're wrong. Let it go.tony10000 wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:37 pmThen why are we seeing all these wonderful new hardware synths and very few new software ones?ramseysounds wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:25 pm My thoughts? CPU processing power is getting stronger and faster all the time. VI are a fraction of the cost of HW. Studios are closing. More and more people are making music on laptops. VI makes music more accessible. But yeah, VI has had its day and will no longer sell anything. Oh and yeah you make posts just to be seen and keep the dialogue going with unproven comments. That ok?![]()
There is a lot larger profit margins in hardware these days and no worries about piracy.
Do you think companies can keep afloat from virtual instruments that you bought several years ago? That is why many of them are attempting to switch to subscription models.
I wonder what happens if I press this button...
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- KVRAF
- 2285 posts since 20 Dec, 2002 from The Benighted States of Trumpistan
Is it over? No. Are people still buying synths? Yes. Do you have to use virtual instruments? No. More to the point, is arguing about it productive? No. Shut up and make some music.
Wait... loot _then_ burn? D'oh!
- KVRian
- 849 posts since 11 Mar, 2010
I don't understand why people are having such a strong opinion about this topic.
First of all, that's a rethoric question: Of course people won't stop using VI overnight.
Second, he does have a point, IMO. Things in this market are indeed slowing down. The amount of news and softsynth releases are decreasing year over year.
We can debate about the reasons, but this looks very clear to me.
First of all, that's a rethoric question: Of course people won't stop using VI overnight.
Second, he does have a point, IMO. Things in this market are indeed slowing down. The amount of news and softsynth releases are decreasing year over year.
We can debate about the reasons, but this looks very clear to me.
- KVRAF
- 26929 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I have all the synthesis I need. Hardware, software... I'm covered. The quality is great, the sonic versatility is great.Synthman2000 wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:54 pm I think it is just living happily inside everyone's computers. Once you have got to 97pct of everything you need you just won't be buying more of the same... a new VA, a new WT.. has to be something superb to buy with all the super instruments we have available. My music is made 97pct ITB and I am extremely happy with that way of working personally speaking.
I've hardly looked at any of the recent new synths. So yeah, it would have to be something superb to get me to buy it. The only synth I am looking forward to is Zebra 3.
- KVRAF
- 3642 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
there are always news synth & effects plugins being released. and slowing down (ie, something like dune not updating every 4 months) does not mean anything is over.Sinisterbr wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:57 pm I don't understand why people are having such a strong opinion about this topic.
First of all, that's a rethoric question: Of course people won't stop using VI overnight.
Second, he does have a point, IMO. Things in this market are indeed slowing down. The amount of news and softsynth releases are decreasing year over year.
We can debate about the reasons, but this looks very clear to me.
it's like computers; not every update can be revolutionary. a lot of synths have reached a peak, and next up, we'll see smaller improvements & enhancements.
anyway, without actual numbers (which no one here has), it's all just... discussion. and nothing wrong with discussion.
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- KVRAF
- 1769 posts since 30 Jul, 2007
With the AI hype, I think we will see more and more innovation as far as AI does a lot of the work / creative process. I figure it will really boil down to user experience / interface more than new mind blowing deep as hell features.
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- KVRist
- 46 posts since 25 Apr, 2021
Back in the 90s I had a Korg 01/W, Ensoniq TS12, and an Ensoniq SD1. I added an ASRX Pro, Mackie mixer, and a Roland hard disk recorder. I was so distracted by all of this and trying to make it easier to work with that I had no idea that plugins existed in the early 2000s. When I started working with plugins, I was angry at myself for not keeping up with what was going on with technology. I absolutely CANNOT stand the sound of those three keyboards after only using them for many years. Even adding samples using the ASRX Pro didn't cover up their sound. Plugins have been an amazing relief for me. I now have access to whatever sound I want. I will absolutely never limit my setup again, and I certainly won't invest thousands in an instrument that has a character I will learn to hate over time.
