Ableton Live 11.3 Beta is out

[SLiC]

I am a big fan of Bitwig and use it a lot, but I much prefer the content, instruments and FX in Live, especially with PUSH.

[SLiC]

Nice overview

[rod_zero]

For me it´s like (just in comparisson between those 2):
Ableton = much slower development pace but what they release is well thought through and very very pleasant sounding especially for electronic music...
If they don´t come up with better stuff themselves they hire or license 3rd party to do it for them...

Bitwig = spitting out without much thinking... the main thing is that it is technically correct but without any finetuning at all and (again) for me a nightmare and huge effort to make something useful out of the stuff...
Great ideas and for sure many improvements of DAW weaknesses compared to Live but very often poorly implemented and (again) not finetuned at all...

Again... that´s just me and I don´t know if I have expressed myself correctly to understand what I mean...
Feel free to have a different opinion and have made different experiences!

Ableton was founded by musicians so it has a very focused approach, as you mention, on musical use. It used to have very fast development, yearly releases and from 3 to 4 it took around 8 months, until version 8 which was very buggy, they even released a video around live 9 that was about how they worked and mentioned how they put the breaks after Live 8 to put the house in order, from there version 9 took 4 years, version 10 took 5 years and version 11 took 3 years and we are past two years from that.

Bitwig as we know was founded by exAbleton developers, the engineers that have their own ideas and couldn't implement them in Live (and probably clashed with the vision of Ableton at the time). So yeah they fixed some limitations of Live but the quality and focus on musical results took a back seat.

[jlgrimes11]

https://www.ableton.com/en/release-note ... ive-1131b1

I officially gave up on Bounce in Place and other casual features.

oh no, a point version without my requested feature!!!! i give up in life!!!!

Funny guy.
Not my one bizzare feature request,it is the most requested on beta forum for years. And I said I do not expect to have it anymore and use it as it is. Move on.

I agree the way its done is a bit weird (as are may things like midi channel handling) but I suspect some things are sort of 'baked in' and not easy to fix (or we would have had in clip editing by now as well!). You are right, you either learn to live with it or you move to Bitwig (or use both like me )

I hate that they won't address this and give us a better option. I suspect part of it is their attempt to prevent copying of certain samples. Whatever Ableton. Many are ornery about this one feature that other DAWs do so much better.

I doubt it.

My guess is either:

1. The implementation would cause a conflict with the software and there is currently no "easy" fix and they are probably coming up with a game plan to implement appropriately.

2. Someone in the company is "dense". They think the feature isn't needed or clashes with their vision of Live.


I'm guessing the former though as these programs are complicated and some features that seem simple might be "intrusive" and conflicts with alot of other existing features and they are probably also trying to figure out, what should a proper Bounce in Place look like, how can it be improved upon etc. At one time Ableton lacked comping and they finally implemented it and did a pretty good job on it and you can tell they took their time and did their homework.

[a9k1tp]

Glad I picked Bitwig. Drift is nothing compared to Polymer in Bitwig.

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:

It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

[SLiC]

Glad I picked Bitwig. Drift is nothing compared to Polymer in Bitwig.

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:

It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

I think that's the point- Bitwig is more 'modular' like. You have to do more work to get good sounds, but some people like that flexibility. Live has more good synths (I like the AAS stuff in the rack) and pre-sets with synths in racks with good fx, Bitwig not so much, just Polymer really, but its easy to make your own.

[liquidsound]

Glad I picked Bitwig. Drift is nothing compared to Polymer in Bitwig.

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:

It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

His was talking about Sound Quality.
So I’ll cross out Polymer as well.

[a9k1tp]

Glad I picked Bitwig. Drift is nothing compared to Polymer in Bitwig.

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:

It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

I think that's the point- Bitwig is more 'modular' like. You have to do more work to get good sounds, but some people like that flexibility. Live has more good synths (I like the AAS stuff in the rack) and pre-sets with synths in racks with good fx, Bitwig not so much, just Polymer really, but its easy to make your own.

Saving presets & saving preset as default preset helps with not doing more work. Bitwig has better devices, including synths and fx. You are not bounded to somebody else's design and you have a good base to start work with.
Polymer is pretty powerful, but with a attitude of not want to change because "I am comfortable with what I am used to", one will never understand it's power.

[a9k1tp]

Glad I picked Bitwig. Drift is nothing compared to Polymer in Bitwig.

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:

It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

His was talking about Sound Quality.
So I’ll cross out Polymer as well.

This is dumb. Very dumb. "Sound quality"

[liquidsound]

Glad I picked Bitwig. Drift is nothing compared to Polymer in Bitwig.

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:

It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

His was talking about Sound Quality.
So I’ll cross out Polymer as well.

This is dumb. Very dumb. "Sound quality"

For you... certainly!

[Dirtgrain]

Drift eats Polymer and craps out little poly poops that spray out all drifty over the Grid.

[simmo75]

Drift eats Polymer and craps out little poly poops that spray out all drifty over the Grid.

Can you please start a “one sentence review” thread, because this is genius! Lol!

Thanks you for making me laugh, I’m sat here with COVID, and am feeling miserable.

[a9k1tp]

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:
It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

His was talking about Sound Quality.
So I’ll cross out Polymer as well.

This is dumb. Very dumb. "Sound quality"

For you... certainly!

"Better sound quality", "hard to make sound bad", these are highly subjective statements. I never had any quality issues with Ableton's and Bitwig's devices.

When I use a synth, I try to achieve a sound which I have in mind. Because of simplicity of Ableton's devices, I find them very limited. With Bitwig's devices, I don't find myself limited and I can modulate and process them to achieve the desired results.

[liquidsound]

You know, for me the biggest difference between Ableton and Bitwigs devices is:
It´s hard to make Ableton devices sound bad... while with Bitwigs devices it´s hard to make them sound good...

Same thing can also be said as Bitwig's devices are more flexible and modular as compared to Ableton's devices.
However, Bitwig's Polymer is a much easier and flexible synth than any of the synths available in Ableton Live.
Synths are the weakest part in Ableton.

His was talking about Sound Quality.
So I’ll cross out Polymer as well.

This is dumb. Very dumb. "Sound quality"

For you... certainly!

"Better sound quality", "hard to make sound bad", these are highly subjective statements. I never had any quality issues with Ableton's and Bitwig's devices.

When I use a synth, I try to achieve a sound which I have in mind. Because of simplicity of Ableton's devices, I find them very limited. With Bitwig's devices, I don't find myself limited and I can modulate and process them to achieve the desired results.

Simply put then, your mind is not for Ableton.
I use both but Ableton workflow and instruments gets me where I want to go and way faster.
Bitwig has its charms, mostly CLAP and indulging modulation system for me (tempting aspects for sure), but Ableton is extremely efficient and effective in executing my ideas.
Simplicity = Power as I see it and have experienced it for a long time.

Several times I wanted to jump ship but then, of course, I come to my senses

[SLiC]

I checked, no law against using both.