KVR Audio

electro · Post by **electro** » Tue May 23, 2023 3:51 pm

1. ASIO Driver?
2. Is Push 3 standalone meant to replace Akai MPC?
3. At $999 does it include a full Ableton Pro license?
4. Would Push 3 useful in other DAWs like Cubase 12 and Bitwig 5?

rageix · Post by **rageix** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:04 pm

Very cool product. Very cool it can be upgraded. Not for me. Not sure it's really for 99.9% of people.

The screen is still pretty small. I don't think you can use stand alone VSTs. Most people would probably be better off with just some kind of Launchpad like device.

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:06 pm

An Intel CPU? Seems rather yesteryear, inefficient, underperforming …. How does it perform compared to an ARM tablet (iPad, Android, whatever)?

rageix · Post by **rageix** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:08 pm

electro wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 3:51 pm 1. ASIO Driver?
2. Is Push 3 standalone meant to replace Akai MPC?
3. At $999 does it include a full Ableton Pro license?
4. Would Push 3 useful in other DAWs like Cubase 12 and Bitwig 5?

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... hnical-FAQ

1. Do I need to download additional drivers on Windows?
The installation of the driver necessary to use Push 3 as an audio interface on Windows is included when installing Live 11.3 on your computer.

2. I suppose they both compete in the same space yes.

3. What instruments and effects does Push 3 (standalone) include?
Push 3 (standalone) comes pre-installed with Ableton Live 11 Intro. If you own a Live Standard or Live Suite license, you can use the instruments and effects belonging to your license. A list of devices included in Live 11 Intro is available here.

4. I'm sure just like Push 2 it would work as a generic midi controller. The only reason to buy this is to use it with Live. Otherwise get a different drum pad or launchpad type device.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:12 pm

rageix wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:08 pm 4. I'm sure just like Push 2 it would work as a generic midi controller. The only reason to buy this is to use it with Live. Otherwise get a different drum pad or launchpad type device.

What other Drum Pad or Launchpad type device supports MPE?

rageix · Post by **rageix** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:14 pm

steff3 wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:06 pm An Intel CPU? Seems rather yesteryear, inefficient, underperforming …. How does it perform compared to an ARM tablet (iPad, Android, whatever)?

Yes and it's an 11 gen processor. It's 2 core, 4 thread, max 28 wats, max boost of 4.1 Ghz. This is not exactly a processing power house. I have a hard time believing you can really do any real significant work in stand alone. It could be good just for basic beat making and playing around with ideas, but sooner than later you will have to work on a real computer.

rageix · Post by **rageix** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:17 pm

pdxindy wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:12 pm What other Drum Pad or Launchpad type device supports MPE?

I'm not aware of any so that is a good point. But if MPE is worth $1000 then go for it my dude. I don't think most people would buy this simply for MPE.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:19 pm

fugazi81 wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:47 pm
noiseresearch wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:14 pm Ableton Live user since V7, love the DAW and I was happy with Push and I'm even happier with Push 2. Great to see the direction Ableton seems to go judging Push 3 release. That said I have zero interest in buying Push 3 as far as I can oversee the concept right now. It's still away from what I imagine a standalone Live hardware. Maybe Push 4 or 5 (or whatever the name will be) will be bought. Something with HDMI for a display too. Well in a couple of years the technology will be affordable enough to have a high end "laptop" in a Push like device.

PS: please Ableton never implement touchscreen
Push3 has a USB-C connection, theoretically you could use the interface to connect a monitor. This means that features that are actually missing, e.g. the arrangement view, could be used. I could certainly imagine an app for that, which then runs on a tablet/phone that you connect to Push3. let's wait and see

The thing is not small. If you have to carry a monitor or whatever to have a "full" experience then imo it's not really standalone. Ableton really needs to figure the arrange and automation issue on their devices and then we'll talk standalone. Even follow actions are not configurable from the device, that would have been an option at least for Scene follow actions as a makeshift "song" mode.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:45 pm

Machines of the past were way less capable and people finished tracks.

it is an interesting discussion how "full" the software in the Push 3 has to be, the expectation vs reality and what is the bare minimun, also if it can access all features of the desktop for arrangement software.

The first question would be, is push 3 designed to finish a track up to mastering or just for sketching the idea? Not clear to me

UtopianLament · Post by **UtopianLament** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:52 pm

Making Ableton portable, stable Linux OS, and adding ADAT is huge, nice job Ableton.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue May 23, 2023 4:59 pm

rod_zero wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:45 pm The first question would be, is push 3 designed to finish a track up to mastering or just for sketching the idea? Not clear to me

I think it's for live performance primarily ...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue May 23, 2023 5:03 pm

rod_zero wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:45 pm Machines of the past were way less capable and people finished tracks.

it is an interesting discussion how "full" the software in the Push 3 has to be, the expectation vs reality and what is the bare minimun, also if it can access all features of the desktop for arrangement software.

The first question would be, is push 3 designed to finish a track up to mastering or just for sketching the idea? Not clear to me

Well, in stand alone mode it has no arranger view at all. Only clip launch. So yeah, no it doesn't work really for composing in a traditional way as far as I can tell.

As for what it is capable of, sound wise, yes.. absolutely you can make a track from start to finish with the only limiting factor being yourself.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Tue May 23, 2023 5:09 pm

rageix wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:17 pm
pdxindy wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:12 pm What other Drum Pad or Launchpad type device supports MPE?
I'm not aware of any so that is a good point. But if MPE is worth $1000 then go for it my dude. I don't think most people would buy this simply for MPE.

Push 2 was $800 when it came out- this adds MPE and what looks like a good IO (2 x TRS in, 4 out and ADAT which is a superb addition in my book) - just being able to plug this into a small laptop and have a complete studio without also needing an audio interface is a godsend and the MPE as well- It also have 4 x CV out and midi out so you can sequence hardware!

Also look like it has more buttons/controls + clip view etc...

Worth an extra couple of hundred to me and I suspect a lot of other people.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Tue May 23, 2023 5:10 pm

rod_zero wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:45 pm Machines of the past were way less capable and people finished tracks.

it is an interesting discussion how "full" the software in the Push 3 has to be, the expectation vs reality and what is the bare minimun, also if it can access all features of the desktop for arrangement software.

The first question would be, is push 3 designed to finish a track up to mastering or just for sketching the idea? Not clear to me

PUSH 3 needs to compete with what's out there in-terms of features capability, especially for the asking price. People have to weight whether the current limitations are an issue for them or if they look elsewhere. The current groove box market is full of devices all with their own quirks and limitations.

That being said your point about the focus of the device is valid, perhaps Ableton still wants people to buy a full license of Ableton.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 23, 2023 5:15 pm

rageix wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 4:17 pm But if MPE is worth $1000 then go for it my dude.

I already did... I bought a Linnstrument

Ableton Push 3 - standalone MPE controller