FL Studio 21.1 released! - A disappointment in the making

[THE INTRANCER]

Ahh, apologies!

Surely it always had that one right from the start, with the red lines?

That was the Matrix device, which you had to program with the mouse and then copy the notes to the track from a right-click menu. There was a way to wire it so you could create gated notes with it (when the sequencer was running - play and record) when using a midi keyboard, but it wasn't what I'd call step-time programming like one could do in Logic, Studio One or a tracker without the sequencer running.

[sjm]

Just have a look at this poll here... 95% have settled on no pattern based DAWs... 95%...
This gives a good hint of the splitting in user groups of FLS users too...

I'm not sure how that is relevant (besides which, I think in terms of raw numbers, FL Studio is probably way more popular than any other DAW, just that it's not really gonna appeal to most of the KVR crowd). The point I was trying to make is that FL Studio is what it is. Either you like it or you don't. If you don't, there's really no point trying to turn it into something else when that something else already exists in 100 flavours.

It's like buying a guitar and then complaining that it doesn't behave like a piano. Some people prefer guitar, some people prefer piano, but very few people expect them to be the same to play. It's OK if you don't like guitar. It's just silly to expect guitar manufacturers to change guitars into pianos because you prefer pianos.

[donkey tugger]

i really hope it's not important, my hosts usually get forgotten on most polls

How do you think I feel? 50 odd year old Indie rokk songwriter using teh frootyloops? I'm just (as I believe the vernacular to be..), 'down wit t'yoot' innit.

according to the top of the page, youre a teeny bopper dubstep kiddy
unless you do hip hop?

I shall forthwith insert a cap into your arse, old bean.

[Igro]

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tl;dr

Too short... I had to search for the meaning... I am too old I think... in my times we communicated in whole sentences...Subject, predicate, object, you know

twitter generation, you know... not able to read anything longer.

[apoclypse]

I was never impressed with the lack of a step sequencer which it still doesn't have in 2023 which is laughable.

Err...


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Was referring to Reason in my post.

Ahh, apologies!

Surely it always had that one right from the start, with the red lines?

Yep and Redrum as well.

[Vospi]

FL Studio is a great "my first DAW" type of app, with some addictive sandbox-like "playability".

I don't agree at all, and the more I actually compare FL functionality with different products like Ableton, it's sometimes way more sensible and even ahead of its time in some respects. That's to the "it isn't a pro DAW" point. Like, come on.

And on the other hand, "my first"-ness of FL Studio is debatable, cause it's not that nice to newcomers.

As an everyday pro user/teacher, I'm happy with the update. I personally reported a bunch of bugs, and I think all of them were fixed in this one, maybe apart from one.

[N__K]

FL Studio is a great "my first DAW" type of app, with some addictive sandbox-like "playability".

I don't agree at all, and the more I actually compare FL functionality with different products like Ableton, it's sometimes way more sensible and even ahead of its time in some respects. That's to the "it isn't a pro DAW" point. Like, come on.

And on the other hand, "my first"-ness of FL Studio is debatable, cause it's not that nice to newcomers.

Fair thing, different perspectives.

I've observed that whatever "gamelikeness" and "un-pro-ness" is seen by some of us in FL Studio, it is to the app's benefit in its (rather large nowadays) segment of the market. And it's still easy to just click in some beats, sequence some loops and have fun. That's important, I think.

The whole "pro DAW" connotation is something of an emotional honey trap anyway. REAPER for example is used in some roles at BBC and in game industry, to mention a couple of "pro" use cases. And yet it also is, in its own way, quite a toybox - for music makers, script writers and theme designers.

As an everyday pro user/teacher, I'm happy with the update. I personally reported a bunch of bugs, and I think all of them were fixed in this one, maybe apart from one.

Yep, the IL team looks to be working hard to serve their current core audience. Can't really find faults there.

[vurt]

FL Studio is a great "my first DAW" type of app, with some addictive sandbox-like "playability".

I don't agree at all, and the more I actually compare FL functionality with different products like Ableton, it's sometimes way more sensible and even ahead of its time in some respects. That's to the "it isn't a pro DAW" point. Like, come on.

And on the other hand, "my first"-ness of FL Studio is debatable, cause it's not that nice to newcomers.

Fair thing, different perspectives.

I've observed that whatever "gamelikeness" and "un-pro-ness" is seen by some of us in FL Studio, it is to the app's benefit in its (rather large nowadays) segment of the market. And it's still easy to just click in some beats, sequence some loops and have fun. That's important, I think.

The whole "pro DAW" connotation is something of an emotional honey trap anyway. REAPER for example is used in some roles at BBC and in game industry, to mention a couple of "pro" use cases. And yet it also is, in its own way, quite a toybox - for music makers, script writers and theme designers.

As an everyday pro user/teacher, I'm happy with the update. I personally reported a bunch of bugs, and I think all of them were fixed in this one, maybe apart from one.

Yep, the IL team looks to be working hard to serve their current core audience. Can't really find faults there.

theres a bloke here, makes some of the best current indie rock around, using guitars n stuff, in flutey roops.
its not all doof doof doof tsst.

[vurt]

not saying its common, but it can be used for "music" whatever that means to you

[Shabdahbriah]

[...] Some people prefer guitar, some people prefer piano, but very few people expect them to be the same to play. It's OK if you don't like guitar. It's just silly to expect guitar manufacturers to change guitars into pianos because you prefer pianos.

{cue:} Innovation

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[vurt]

[...] Some people prefer guitar, some people prefer piano, but very few people expect them to be the same to play. It's OK if you don't like guitar. It's just silly to expect guitar manufacturers to change guitars into pianos because you prefer pianos.

{cough}

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bloody klingon

[sjm]

[...] Some people prefer guitar, some people prefer piano, but very few people expect them to be the same to play. It's OK if you don't like guitar. It's just silly to expect guitar manufacturers to change guitars into pianos because you prefer pianos.

{cue:} Innovation

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You pre-empted the punchline I was setting up for when Trancit replied

[N__K]

FL Studio is a great "my first DAW" type of app, with some addictive sandbox-like "playability".

I don't agree at all, and the more I actually compare FL functionality with different products like Ableton, it's sometimes way more sensible and even ahead of its time in some respects. That's to the "it isn't a pro DAW" point. Like, come on.

And on the other hand, "my first"-ness of FL Studio is debatable, cause it's not that nice to newcomers.

Fair thing, different perspectives.

I've observed that whatever "gamelikeness" and "un-pro-ness" is seen by some of us in FL Studio, it is to the app's benefit in its (rather large nowadays) segment of the market. And it's still easy to just click in some beats, sequence some loops and have fun. That's important, I think.

The whole "pro DAW" connotation is something of an emotional honey trap anyway. REAPER for example is used in some roles at BBC and in game industry, to mention a couple of "pro" use cases. And yet it also is, in its own way, quite a toybox - for music makers, script writers and theme designers.

As an everyday pro user/teacher, I'm happy with the update. I personally reported a bunch of bugs, and I think all of them were fixed in this one, maybe apart from one.

Yep, the IL team looks to be working hard to serve their current core audience. Can't really find faults there.

theres a bloke here, makes some of the best current indie rock around, using guitars n stuff, in flutey roops.
its not all doof doof doof tsst.

Yeah, dt makes amazing stuff in FLS. So do many of the doof fellows.

That said, based on what I've seen on DAW forums in general - and especially on IL's Looptalk - some people appear to enjoy software-mediated masochism wayyyyyyyy more than I do

[Trancit]

nevermind...

[Vospi]

I don't think N__K said it's all "its not all doof doof doof tsst"
Appreciate the balanced perspective, too!