If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[IvyBirds]

It's not coming from your imagination, it's coming from mixing other people's work. There is no way it's original. Loops are not used solely alone, they're usually mixed with original work. I'm not a loops fan myself, I'm just saying they are still better than using A.I. which is just a recycler.

Here is a question for you

What if you use AI to make loops that you then use to make a song. Would you then reject it out of hand?

[Chicken Drummy]

@IvyBirds

"If AI is a threat to your music, you music sucks and AI is just an excuse"

This tired argument is so amusing to me yet I keep seeing it everywhere, repeated ad nauseum. It's just a silly, oddly defensive argument.

I never said nor implied that AI was a threat to my music. Not sure where you're getting that. But you do seem to be getting worked up about this and making it personal.

"If someone is getting defensive when trying to make their point, their argument sucks."

Listen, maybe take some time and come back when you're able to more clearly and calmly articulate your thoughts. Or better yet, why not just run them through chatGPT?

[DCrown]

What is it with you people and you're doom and gloom?

Yeah, it's terrible. Just look at the NI thread. It seems that too many people act based on emotions rather than rational considerations.

It rather seems that some people don't see or don't like seeing reality and don't even want to imagine worst case, maybe cuz they are scared that a almost completely worthless thing called music production could completely change.
Today a song has the value of a fart, the amount of daily released songs will soon equal the amount of daily "released" farts! And 99% of today's releases smell awful.
Well, 99% can not be right, cuz it would mean there are about 1500 ( = more than 500.000/year) great songs released every day, no way, never ever, so it is even higher than 99%! So worthless.

[IvyBirds]

@IvyBirds

"If AI is a threat to your music, you music sucks and AI is just an excuse"

This tired argument is so amusing to me yet I keep seeing it everywhere, repeated ad nauseum. It's just a silly, oddly defensive argument.

I never said nor implied that AI was a threat to my music. Not sure where you're getting that. But you do seem to be getting worked up about this and making it personal.

"If someone is getting defensive when trying to make their point, their argument sucks."

Listen, maybe take some time and come back when you're able to more clearly and calmly articulate your thoughts. Or better yet, why not just run them through chatGPT?

Why are you getting so defensive and attacking me? Again I said

"If AI is a threat to your music your music sucks"

I didn't address that to you personally, and you say it doesn't apply to you so why are you being so defensive about it something that you claim doesn't apply

And if you don't consider AI a threat why are you so against it?

AI is just a tool, it's a medium. Creative people can use AI in creative ways to make art just like they can use loops, MIDI Packs, and anything else to make art.

Listen, maybe take some time and come back when you're able to more clearly and calmly articulate your thoughts. Or better yet, why not just run them through chatGPT?

[DCrown]

...an be aware of the fact that If you use one Sonible plugin in a mix on one track only, it is an AI production, not a full ai production, but AI production, so let us not start having exceptions to downplay it.

lol "creative people can use AI, blablabla (the argument of a creativly poor guy) loooool, creativity and AI don't really go well together. Real talent vs fake loool

And if you buy a SSL native plugin you support AI productions, so don't complain, if you support and check closely from which dev you buy something.
More and more devs obviously won't get any money from me any more...

[GeneralQ]

Edit: Rereading this, I noticed it sounds too negative towards AI. I think AI can help compensate weaknesses. If I am not able to make a good mix, it's fine if AI is helping out. If I don't have a good idea for a melody or a sound, AI can help to make the first step. It will be part of our workflow and support the creative process, but I don't see it replace what we have and do, including the plugins we use.

That is exactly what you should not do. You get good at mixing by mixing a lot of tracks. You get good at writing melodies by writing a lot of melodies. If you turn to AI whenever things get difficult you will never grow your skill level.

[Grizzellda]

Golly, there are alot of threads about AI going.

IT IS A TOOL! I will use it for samples & sound design, stuff like that, sure! But I won't say to the machine..."hey, just write me a song", because I have actually practiced on my instruments, & continue to do so.

What is music anyhow?

[DCrown]

Golly, there are alot of threads about AI going.

IT IS A TOOL! I will use it for samples & sound design, stuff like that, sure! But I won't say to the machine..."hey, just write me a song", because I have actually practiced on my instruments, & continue to do so.

What is music anyhow?

I get your point.
But I am sure there will be a lot of people who will say the same as you wrote, but in reality everything was made by AI.
What's is music anyhow? I agree, it is worth nothing anymore, but could be a nice hobby, still better than drinking a lot of alcohol or wasting time 24/7 on TikTok.

[andi75]

Edit: Rereading this, I noticed it sounds too negative towards AI. I think AI can help compensate weaknesses. If I am not able to make a good mix, it's fine if AI is helping out. If I don't have a good idea for a melody or a sound, AI can help to make the first step. It will be part of our workflow and support the creative process, but I don't see it replace what we have and do, including the plugins we use.

That is exactly what you should not do. You get good at mixing by mixing a lot of tracks. You get good at writing melodies by writing a lot of melodies. If you turn to AI whenever things get difficult you will never grow your skill level.

Whenever you are bad at something, don't you ask someone for help? Before AI was a thing, the only chance for help at mixing was sending it to someone to do it for you. If now AI is doing it, how is this a bad thing? If it is not completely black box, I can see how AI changed EQ frequencies and compressor settings, and if it sounds better, learn from it, which will help my skill level a lot. Not AI is evil, but how we use it.

[Grizzellda]

Yes! It is a TOOL, just as a butter knife is a tool.

[DCrown]

whatever AI plugins are used for a song, it should be told imo, otherwise it is like offering handmade tables and with natural products only, although it is just mass production in a factory hall made of plastic that imitates wood.
Although we have mass production of music today, even without AI thanks to Pro Tools&Co. and the internet, AI will raise it to an extreme and that's why it is even more important to separate AI productions from no AI productions.

[DCrown]

Edit: Rereading this, I noticed it sounds too negative towards AI. I think AI can help compensate weaknesses. If I am not able to make a good mix, it's fine if AI is helping out. If I don't have a good idea for a melody or a sound, AI can help to make the first step. It will be part of our workflow and support the creative process, but I don't see it replace what we have and do, including the plugins we use.

That is exactly what you should not do. You get good at mixing by mixing a lot of tracks. You get good at writing melodies by writing a lot of melodies. If you turn to AI whenever things get difficult you will never grow your skill level.

Whenever you are bad at something, don't you ask someone for help? Before AI was a thing, the only chance for help at mixing was sending it to someone to do it for you. If now AI is doing it, how is this a bad thing? If it is not completely black box, I can see how AI changed EQ frequencies and compressor settings, and if it sounds better, learn from it, which will help my skill level a lot. Not AI is evil, but how we use it.

The only help for mixing is/was to find someone to do it for you? Omg, really?
Have you ever thought of learning to mix? Solutions are sometimes easy, if one is not lazy and has a will to progress.
Mixes today sound better ??? lol
Overpolished, Overcompressed, Overautotuned and using limiter just to achieve -5 to -4 Lufs and kill every dynamic of a track.
Anyway it is always about the song, not mix quality. A lot of musicians named their favourite albums with acceptable sound quality and lots of great songs. Maybe google to know what an album was. It is about songs:
originality, creativity, vibe, arrangement, lyrics etc.

[mixyguy2]

If AI really does replace a large part of music creation, who is actually going to buy plugins anymore?

Yep. It won't end of course, but it will be considerably damaged. Sad. Not a business I'd get in or even stay in now.

[mixyguy2]

Yes! It is a TOOL, just as a butter knife is a tool.

It SHOULD be. But it is fast becoming much more, unfortunately. A lot of people with little to no musical talent are already using AI to create music for them and signing their name to it and kidding themselves that they are "artists"...deep down they know otherwise, though they might not admit it, even to themselves.

[mixyguy2]

The only help for mixing is/was to find someone to do it for you? Omg, really?
Have you ever thought of learning to mix? Solutions are sometimes easy, if one is not lazy and has a will to progress.
Mixes today sound better ??? lol
Overpolished, Overcompressed, Overautotuned and using limiter just to achieve -5 to -4 Lufs and kill every dynamic of a track.
Anyway it is always about the song, not mix quality. A lot of musicians named their favourite albums with acceptable sound quality and lots of great songs. Maybe google to know what an album was. It is about songs:
originality, creativity, vibe, arrangement, lyrics etc.

You realize you're wasting your breath, right?