Monitor Speakers recomendations anyone

[valley]

Evey article I've read bring me to the conclusion that, in order to have good accoustic, I have to move I can't do that since I own this house

Yup. There isn't any ideal space for a project studio in my house, so I just treat it as "my music sucks and my room sucks - we're made for each other" and work around the limitations (both mine and the room's).

That's what I suspect, hence my question about the sub. I'm not done trying to understand the effect of having too short a space for the frequencies you're trying to hear,

That doesn't make any difference, AIUI. Consider in-ear headphone. If the wave-space theory held up, you wouldn't be able to hear any frequencies below about 8khz.

The biggest problem I've found with rooms that are too small is simply that it is impossible not to have the speakers mounted to close to walls and corners, which means treble soundwaves are being muddied up by corner bass build up.

In addition any attempt to treat the room, will almost certainly end up slightly dead sounding, which some people really don't like (I don't mind it, but I need to be real careful with reverb levels).

but I'm suspecting that the bassy mix I put out is more a reflection of my listening environement rather than speakers choice. It could evn be my compensation for the High frequency bouncing on the perfectly parralel and too close side wall.

It could easily be. When I was trying out places for accoustic foam, and absorbers, I found I could radically alter the sound of the room by just moving things a few foot in any direction.

My workaround now is to listen to some professional music in the style I'm working on, and listen to how the bass sounds in the properly mixed song, and trust that as a yardstick more than my own idea of what my song should sound like. Oh, and stick a spectral analyser on your master filter list, so you can keep an eye on inaudible sub-bass.

[Barbarossa]

Lunch Money,

ofcourse you can buy whatever you like. I don't want to convince you. I just made my post in case someone wants to invest his money better than industry and advertisments suggest.

Barbarossa--

Without already owning an amp, there's very little way that a passive system could be more cost-effective.

Well, that depends on how long are you going to keep the LS. LS usually have a much longer lifetime than amps.
Another aspect pro passive ones lies in the case of defects. Not uncommon for amps - extremely rare for LS.
Chaining the amp with the LS together, therefore isn't wise from that point of view.
This all multiplies ofcourse, in the case of surround.

Also, an amp has its own colour, and for the price of a mid-range amp, aren't we pretty much guaranteed that it's not going to be exceptionally flat?

Therefore i mentioned amateurs. In case you're a professional producer and you've already invested 10.000 $ in studio-acoustics and 5000$ in mics and preamps, then it could be good, to even consider about the sound of the amps. But then you're already playing in a high class, and have so much experience, that you don't ask in forums what monitor you should buy. Then you know, how to judge monitors.
The influence of a decent modern amp on the sound, compared to the effects of the acoustics, the LS itself, are not worth to worry about.

And yes, there are even people using 500.-/m 6mm^2 cables, but are listening in rooms with flat surfaces and tiles on the floor and rave about the importance of cables and amps...

[Lunch Money]

Cool, well it's at least an option for me to consider then, when I go looking.

Greg

[nuisance sonore]

Evey article I've read bring me to the conclusion that, in order to have good accoustic, I have to move I can't do that since I own this house

Yup. There isn't any ideal space for a project studio in my house, so I just treat it as "my music sucks and my room sucks - we're made for each other" and work around the limitations (both mine and the room's).

A lot of trial and error to achieve that I guess.

That doesn't make any difference, AIUI. Consider in-ear headphone. If the wave-space theory held up, you wouldn't be able to hear any frequencies below about 8khz.

A major point I don't understand about this wave-space theory... but then again I'm no physicist...

The biggest problem I've found with rooms that are too small is simply that it is impossible not to have the speakers mounted to close to walls and corners, which means treble soundwaves are being muddied up by corner bass build up.

That's why I've got the Allison, there supposed to be made to hug the wall (the main driver facing up, two tweeters each facing front at an angle).
I really have to try to put theses round tube in the corners, they're cheap so it wouldn't be a big loss if it doesn't help...

In addition any attempt to treat the room, will almost certainly end up slightly dead sounding, which some people really don't like (I don't mind it, but I need to be real careful with reverb levels).

Much better dead sounding than ringing church bells

It could easily be. When I was trying out places for accoustic foam, and absorbers, I found I could radically alter the sound of the room by just moving things a few foot in any direction.

What absorber material did you try? I've only found closed cell foam, no open cell, in my local reno center, not good for sound absorbtion, while the specialized material is awfully expensive...after all, it's just foam...

My workaround now is to listen to some professional music in the style I'm working on, and listen to how the bass sounds in the properly mixed song, and trust that as a yardstick more than my own idea of what my song should sound like. Oh, and stick a spectral analyser on your master filter list, so you can keep an eye on inaudible sub-bass.

Sub-bass...forgot about that...Neither Tracktion or Vegas have one of thoses spectral analyser, I guess I better do some searching...

[IIRs]

Sub-bass...forgot about that...Neither Tracktion or Vegas have one of thoses spectral analyser, I guess I better do some searching...

Inspector

[valley]

What absorber material did you try? I've only found closed cell foam, no open cell, in my local reno center, not good for sound absorbtion, while the specialized material is awfully expensive...after all, it's just foam...

Yeah the auralex stuff isn't cheap, though you should be able to get a box for around $100 which is enough to treat smallish rooms, and at least tame medium sized rooms. It certainly works. I could hear the difference in my room instantly.

For heavy duty damping, dense (made denser still by packing the crap out of it) rock wool or fibre glass is all you need.

[nuisance sonore]

Inspector

Downloaded, installed and going through the doc now.
And It's free?!?
Nice, thanks.

Yeah the auralex stuff isn't cheap, though you should be able to get a box for around $100 which is enough to treat smallish rooms, and at least tame medium sized rooms. It certainly works. I could hear the difference in my room instantly.

For heavy duty damping, dense (made denser still by packing the crap out of it) rock wool or fibre glass is all you need.

Well, I'll try to find some of that locally, it's one of thoses things I would hate to mail-order or web-order.
Thanks Valley.

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[dry bones]

I've been using Yamaha MSP5s for six years now. A fine pair of nearfields for my tiny recording space ( in the spare room ), as I don't have any room for an external amp.