Launching t2-- faster?

[ModuLR]

I'd agree that tracktions load time isn't bad at all. It's pretty quick on my system as well.

As far as comparing it to eXT.. there is no point. eXT doesn't do a comprehensive scan. Go ahead and stick any .dll in your VST folder, and you'll see it's available in your VST plugins list with eXT. Tracktion attempts to verify whether at the most basic level the plugin will be problematic or if it's even a plugin in the first place.

[aMUSEd]

I'd agree that tracktions load time isn't bad at all. It's pretty quick on my system as well.

As far as comparing it to eXT.. there is no point. eXT doesn't do a comprehensive scan. Go ahead and stick any .dll in your VST folder, and you'll see it's available in your VST plugins list with eXT. Tracktion attempts to verify whether at the most basic level the plugin will be problematic or if it's even a plugin in the first place.

I think eXT does scan but not at startup. I've been putting a load of presets I had archived back into my VST folder over the last few days and have noticed that although eXT starts as quickly as usual it takes ages for the right click to bring up the synths and there's was lots of HD activity so my guess is it scans at that point. What bothered me is that this took an age (on a v fast PC) - so I think it was scanning every single patch (it also loads non vst dll's).

[edelweiss]

This thread brings back some painful memories....back when I was struggling thru Cubase. I remember starting the program. going to the kitchen, filling a glass with ice, pouring a Coke ( diet, of course. LOL ), then getting back to the puter and still having to wait a few seconds for it to finish it's start-up.
sooooo, just for giggles I reloaded Cubase on to my current system, which is much faster than my old one and tried a start-up....
Still had time to get my Coke....LOL

[Rudy]

well, for my personal opinion T's startup-time is way to slow, i did comparisons with other software and they did start much faster. what i've not come over is the overcrowded and cluttered interface of T, which for my purpose only needs the x in the upper right corner, just to close it and start it again. by the way it's a good time for a feature-request for T2, i never came over the possibilltiy the program gives: abort and restart. first of all, it never did what i expected to do it, and second, why should one hit the R-button first, and then another just to stop and reload the program ?? i would like to see a decent button just to do this: stop T and reload it. i think that would really improve workflow for startup-time-testing and surely a no-brainer to jules. just my 2cents.

[Lunch Money]

well, for my personal opinion T's startup-time is way to slow, i did comparisons with other software and they did start much faster.

Yes, to you and Ron and whoever else-- other programs start more quickly, but they're not doing a comprehensive scan (ensuring compatibility and stability) the way Tracktion does. And if *3-5* (not 10-20 as first suggested) seconds is "too slow", then you REALLY need to see a psychologist about issues.

what i've not come over is the overcrowded and cluttered interface of T,

Strangest thing I've ever seen in an RMS thread. Tracktion is considered by many to be the LEAST cluttered application out there. That's its reason d'etre. Bizarre.

which for my purpose only needs the x in the upper right corner, just to close it and start it again.

I don't understand what you mean.

by the way it's a good time for a feature-request for T2, i never came over the possibilltiy the program gives: abort and restart.

You mean like the "abort and restart" button? The one that's already there?

first of all, it never did what i expected to do it,

Which is what?

why should one hit the R-button first, and then another just to stop and reload the program ??

I still don't get what you're trying to do. Why do you need to abort and reload the program? Abort and Restart is a function for restarting a recording.

i would like to see a decent button just to do this: stop T and reload it.

WHY? I am stumped. I don't get it. Why on earth would you need or want one of these? The only thing I can think of is that you want to be able to use newly installed plug-ins, and you are still letting Tracktion re-scan the plug-ins each time it loads. WHich means you've missed the point of the first page and a half of this thread. Here's what you do:

1. In the "settings" tab, go to the "plugins" page
2. de-select "always check plugins on startup"
3. when you DO add new plugins, go back to this page, and press "rescan plugin directories -> just look for plugins that are new or have changed.

You don't even have to leave your edit, never mind restarting Tracktion from scratch.

i think that would really improve workflow for startup-time-testing and surely a no-brainer to jules. just my 2cents.

I realize that English isn't your first language, but I just don't get it. How can startup-time-testing improve workflow? Why even test your startup time except to have pointless arguments with people who don't understand:

a) why Tracktion takes longer (there's a reason for it) and

b) that 5 seconds of startup time is nothing when compared to the fact that you'll in most cases be spending the next several hours working on your music, at which time you will be routinely spending periods much longer thatn 5 seconds just staring blankly while thinking about new ideas or ways to do things, but not being tangibly productive.

[Rudy]

someone completely missed the point

[Lunch Money]

sarcasm is often hard to identify in a text message.

[P.T.]

So, now we are making comparisons to 20 and 30 year old apps in order to justify things, being accused of mental illness if we disagree and fans of Tracktion are becoming PR boosters and bodyguards of their software.

Interesting, but troubling.

[braj]

So, now we are making comparisons to 20 and 30 year old apps in order to justify things, being accused of mental illness if we disagree and fans of Tracktion are becoming PR boosters and bodyguards of their software.

Interesting, but troubling.

I don't anyone's trying to 'justify things' but rather keep things in perspective. If you really like Tracktion but it takes 5 seconds longer to start up than another app, is that such a travesty? Personally, my favorite host hands down is Live4 (with all it's limitations) but it's a dog starting up at a minute and a half. But will I use another app that I don't like so much just because it only takes a minute to start up? That seems off IMO.

[Lunch Money]

So, now we are making comparisons to 20 and 30 year old apps in order to justify things, being accused of mental illness if we disagree and fans of Tracktion are becoming PR boosters and bodyguards of their software.

Interesting, but troubling.

Not exactly. It was merely an example used to get people to have a bit of effin' perspective.

But yes, if you think 5 seconds is too long to wait for something, you have a mental illness. As I doubt this is truly the case (I'm abundantly confident that in your life, you wait more than 5 seconds for many things, and don't actually mind the wait. Much longer, for example, is the wait for water to boil or toast to pop).

I was trying to be hyperbolic, as I doubt anyone here truly can't abide a 5-second wait. I just want people to get a bit of perspective about their "epic" 5 second wait.

As you must surely know, fans of ANYTHING can tend to be defensive. People get physically injured routinely because of their sports allegiances. Our feelings are hurt (even when we don't want to admit it) when the friends and family that we admire think that our favourite bands or artists are crap. We like it when people we respect can relate to the same things we can.

Now, we're smart enough to allow people to have their own opinions, but it doesn't stop us from sometimes (not always! friendly rivalries are cool too) wishing people could see what we see, or prevent us from occasionally saying things like, "What? You think Jimmy Page is just a messy crappy guitar player? Have you ever TRULY listened to his work, or thought about his inventive production techniques?" You may very well have your own reasons to believe he's crap, but I'll still try my darndest to get you to see what I see.

By the same token, I'm allowed to be a fan of anything I like, including software (even though you could easily pass that off as a geeky thing to be a fan of and I wouldn't fault you for it). As a fan, I DO find myself inclined to defend it and promote it. Isn't that what all fans do? Nothing strange or troubling about it at all.

Greg

[rockstar_not]

Oops, I didn't read the 4 pages and Lunch Money already made my points.

Turn off scanning directories. Turn off virus scanning software.

-Scott

[dealwithit]

Tracktion takes 16 seconds to load on my P4 2.6 512 DDR system. Not bad, I'd never considered it before, so it must not be too long.

[simondsouza]

What a great thread!

you can really see how we are all DYING for T2 to come out. We are now on pointless long threads about the time it takes T to load. And just to prove that I'm not trying to diss anyone, I had to check how long T takes to load on my Duron 1.8 512mb ram system - 5.5 seconds.

I had never considered it before either, just thought, 'oh that's quicker than cubase'.

Come on Mackie, make my day!!!!

Maybe it's just more of the tease....

Simon