2.1 feature requests

[ceenda]

Yes, I agree about having the midi toolbar at the bottom. It would make it easier to switch between the MIDI editor and the normal preview.

(I know you can press 'Z', but I often use a QWERTY keyboard emulator as a MIDI input device which makes that a bit of a hassle)

[semiquaver]

hi platinum I think braz is right re: "freeze to file" vs keeping a running mix. It is very cumbersome when tyou find the level of a frozen track too high in the mix not to have access to a level filter. The time it takes to unfreeze and adjust can be considerable.

Its easier just to "freeze to file" all your tracks and then, if you are maxing yr lappy out, just submix and mute, no? In any case there is no harm in allowing both freeze styles to co-exist somehow...

[IIRs]

In any case there is no harm in allowing both freeze styles to co-exist somehow...

I do see a certain amount of possible harm in having two functions that are basically identical, with different names. Do that a couple more times, and Tracktion's deceptive simplicity will be a thing of the past. If Jules can extend the current freeze function without spoiling the overall vibe, more power to his elbow I say (esp. when he's rubbing my back ) but I resent the suggestions that T's current freeze function is somehow broken or un-usable, and I really resent the thought that Jules might spend hours of time on it when it doesn't add any new functionality at all, but just saves some people two extra clicks when re-rendering a track.

It worked nicely with 20+ tracks frozen.

What resolution?

[braj]

It's not two extra clicks if your dealing with a lot of tracks, changing automation, tempo etc. That's crap. Streamlining the process would definitely be new functionality IMO. If not, then people should stop trying to sell T based on it's ease of use, because Logic beats it hands-down in this instance.

I gotta tell you platinumears, I resent your attempt to minimize every change people would like to see with T2. I doesn't serve anyone to do so. I think it is strange for you to frame complicated workarounds as deceptive simplicity. I just don't get it.

And it was at 16 bit/44.1 like I usually work with. I can't go back and compare any other resolutions because I replaced that HD. But regardless of the resolution or the weight on the disk, I personally would like the option. I think that's valid in it's own right and not dependent on your approval.

I've been thinking about it a bit and I really don't see how having multiple freeze options would be any more complicated than multiple quantize options etc. Are you a developer platinumears and can you tell me why it is so hard to implement?

Anyway, my last post on the subject.

[braj]

Another feature request: the ability to route the output of a track to a virtual input ala Live. This would make dealing with plugs such as Jamstix and Melodyne Bridge much easier, regardless of you soundcard.

[IIRs]

I gotta tell you platinumears, I resent your attempt to minimize every change people would like to see with T2.

Check my posts. I do no such thing..

I think it is strange for you to frame complicated workarounds as deceptive simplicity.

Its not a complicated workaround, its my usual working practise, which I find fast and efficient.

And it was at 16 bit/44.1 like I usually work with.

At 24/96 you would have felt rather more limited!

can you tell me why it is so hard to implement?

I guarantee it is harder for Jules to implement extra freeze functionality than for you to resign yourslf to an extra 4 clicks (I just counted them) when you need to re-render a muted MIDI track. Wouldn't you rather he worked on some of the other things that really are missing or broken? Timestretch maybe? Group clips? Clip based automation? Folder tracks?

[braj]

It's not MY job to prioritize Jules' implementation schedule, I'm just saying 'wouldn't that be nice? Please stop posting so much crap to try and shoot down a feature request in a thread dedicated to feature requests.

In closing, it isn't 4 clicks, it's 4 clicks for every tracks you want to alter. When your dealing with something global like tempo, that's a lot of clicks. Anyway, you don't get it and I don't care that you don't get it, Whatever.

[braj]

At 24/96 you would have felt rather more limited!

Who is using 24/96 on an old-ass laptop with a 4200 drive?

I'm talking about scalability. If you had both freeze options, you could use them selectively on different tracks. The resource usage would be dependent on your desire and system, not an arbitrary decision that you don't have enough HD speed. I'm not saying either/or, but 'both'. Just to get really wild, how a bout a /group tracks freeze' option: select 6 tracks and freeze them as one audio file.

I think Render should be for exactly what it says. If you only want to temporarily freeze something, you should use freeze. That way you don't have to go on a forum or read the manual to find how to do this common task.

Anyway, I guess I wasn't done with the topic

[djsubject]

platinumears, may i reconmend we only help those that ask & let the other f**kers wait

like beno said "dident he sell his copy of Tracktion?"

[IIRs]

platinumears, may i reconmend we only help those that ask & let the other f**kers wait

like beno said "dident he sell his copy of Tracktion?"

Good point!

Hey Braj, shouldn't you be reading a Logic manual or something?

[braj]

platinumears, may i reconmend we only help those that ask & let the other f**kers wait

like beno said "dident he sell his copy of Tracktion?"

Good point!

Hey Braj, shouldn't you be reading a Logic manual or something?

Nope, the T2 manual is keeping me busy.

[bewing77]

I gotta tell you platinumears, I resent your attempt to minimize every change people would like to see with T2.

Check my posts. I do no such thing..

I think it is strange for you to frame complicated workarounds as deceptive simplicity.

Its not a complicated workaround, its my usual working practise, which I find fast and efficient.

And it was at 16 bit/44.1 like I usually work with.

At 24/96 you would have felt rather more limited!

can you tell me why it is so hard to implement?

I guarantee it is harder for Jules to implement extra freeze functionality than for you to resign yourslf to an extra 4 clicks (I just counted them) when you need to re-render a muted MIDI track. Wouldn't you rather he worked on some of the other things that really are missing or broken? Timestretch maybe? Group clips? Clip based automation? Folder tracks?

Not directing this at you, but since the release of the Demo this forum has started to feel a bit like the propellerheads forum, where a select crew of people is super defensive as soon as someone suggests a feature or critisise Reason in any way.

Just because a feature, like rendering and muting etc works for you doesn't mean everyone likes it. If someone feels their workflow is inhibited by the lack of a Logic-like freeze then that's what they feel. No ammount of arguments can change that. It's not like we are discussing a mathematic formula here, cognition and perception are highly personal.

I could argue that it is better to have a Logic-like freeze, and that to save disk perfomance you could just render all your tracks to a stereo file instead of freezing. This way of working would fit me much better. But I realize that everyone has different needs and thus a compromise is needed, and thus both options should be available. Why not make it a selectable option on the settings page?

Sure, there are more important things to get done first, but it irritates me when people dismiss other peoples problems and wishes and act like Tracktion has no flaws whatsoever.

[braj]

Thank you bewing77. Well said.

[IIRs]

Sure, there are more important things to get done first, but it irritates me when people dismiss other peoples problems and wishes and act like Tracktion has no flaws whatsoever.

I'm fairly sure I don't do that.. there are plenty of additions I could ask for.. its just this one thing that annoys me I think!

[braj]

Sure, there are more important things to get done first, but it irritates me when people dismiss other peoples problems and wishes and act like Tracktion has no flaws whatsoever.

I'm fairly sure I don't do that.. there are plenty of additions I could ask for.. its just this one thing that annoys me I think!

Actually you do this quite often, last I can recall was when you said people with no talent need timestretch and to learn to play an instrument or some such rubbish. Don't ask me for a link, be honest with yourself. You can be a pretty discouraging influence around here. Just because you don't want or need a feature doesn't mean it isn't a valid request. I could see if this thread was complaining about T2, it's not, it is looking forward to T2.x. I went out of my way to make that clear but I guess you either didn't read it or don't like any opinions other than your own

BTW, I'm planning on buying T2 in spite of you. Thanks for all your help