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diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:11 pm

dunno - WE were just wondering whether any one would find it useful weren't WE?

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:12 pm

and it would look pretty.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:13 pm

semiquaver wrote:not sure what the point of checking the meters during a mix..what would you be lookng for?

I believe (from another thread) that Ron considers best practise when mixing to be setting every channel to read -6dBFS on the meters and then "running them through a multi-band". Its amazing really, you don't even need monitors if you use the Ron technique.. I wish he'd told me before, I could have saved a fortune on mine!

ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:15 pm

diverdee wrote:dunno - WE were just wondering whether any one would find it useful weren't WE?

sorry if my remark was kinda out of left field.. I think my reaction was somewhat in response to the locked thread and not this one. Sorry...

continue..

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:19 pm

Yeah, well if he had left out that "must" at the end, I wouldn't have said anything. That (along with the other post Mod is referring to) just got to me, and I couldn't keep quiet. Not to mention the many other times I've noticed this kind of phrasing from him.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:23 pm

semiquaver wrote:not sure what the point of checking the meters during a mix..what would you be lookng for?

what might be useful though would be to see the meter while tweaking a plug that has crappy or no metering. maybe...

Ok. Im a little surprised that this is not considered important. I personally find it very difficult to work withought metering. But i suppose this is also because i work with music which involves a lot of acoustic audio.

Take Drums for example. While you could be averaging a comfortable -9 dB for most of the mix. there will be snare hits that will clip the master. Same goes for toms and stuff. Compressors, unless look ahed with a very fast attack, would find it difficult curtailing such a transient.

Same can also apply for other instruments such as guitars which can invite sudden transients.

The way Ron works is not uncommon. It makes a lot of sense to mantain headroon during a mixdown. The only way to ensure scope for good mastering. Precise metering helps a long way.

and yes. im sure most of "We" would find it usefull..

Sidhu

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:23 pm

didn't notice - I was just taking the mick with the ronkers royal we. although in his defence he probably isn't using the royal plural in an arrogant way - he more than likely uses it as he's maybe phrasing his requests & observations like that in order to highlight the fact that his requests aren't just his personal 'demands', but could be useful for the whole tracktioneering community. Or maybe there's more than one personality residing there, so he likes to be all inclusive for the sake of his other inner voices - which would be great if one personality made a feature request that another personality disagreed with - then we'd be teated to a thread of him arguing with & flaming himself etc. which would be highly amusing. (Yes I have had a bit of a smoke tonight -so I should probably stop posting soon b4 I make a complete turd of myself).

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:24 pm

oh - & yeah what sidhu said.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:26 pm

diverdee wrote:oh - & yeah what sidhu said.

smokes and all... man i need to go to the hills....

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:34 pm

sidhu wrote: The way Ron works is not uncommon.

Doesn't make it right.

sidhu wrote:It makes a lot of sense to mantain headroon during a mixdown. The only way to ensure scope for good mastering. Precise metering helps a long way.

You have more headroom than you could ever possibly use. If your mix buss clips, just turn it down!

I've lost count of the number of times I've typed that on this forum..

braj · Post by **braj** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:47 pm

I have crappy hearing so meters give me a bit of psychological assistance. But other than that, they mostly are useful to know if a track has an active output. T's meters are a bit weak (small? short?) IMO and don't always seem to reflect what I *think* I hear

But I think ModuLR's idea of completely disabling them a good idea, if your hearing is decent that is.

Sidhu · Post by **Sidhu** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:10 pm

disabling meters wont work for me. I need a good idea of where my levels are. While platinums comments are very valid. There is alwaz that transient that i would like to tame. Before it reaches the master.

Sidhu

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:20 pm

I don't think track level meters should be excluded from a feature list, but I certainly will never use them. It's really easy to zero in on renegade transients with the current wee little meters if that's all you're concerned about, or use something more sophisticated than plain old meters (Inspector) if visual feedback is really that important to you.

Virtual instruments shouldn't HAVE renegade clipping to begin with, and audio tracks... man... if I'm getting renegade transients by the time I'm mixing down, I've done SOMETHING else wrong to begin with.

Like I said, it can be on the list, I just hope it's way near the bottom.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:20 pm

sidhu wrote:disabling meters wont work for me. I need a good idea of where my levels are. While platinums comments are very valid. There is alwaz that transient that i would like to tame. Before it reaches the master.

Sidhu

Tame with what? A compressor? Doesn't that have metering?

But I think ModuLR's idea of completely disabling them a good idea, if your hearing is decent that is.

It doesn't matter how good your hearing is.

Swap the situation round for a second: you're painting a picture, but your eyes aren't very good, and you're in artificial light.. so is it better to just shut your eyes, and judge the colours by smelling the paint..?

braj · Post by **braj** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:27 pm

platinumears wrote:It doesn't matter how good your hearing is.

Swap the situation round for a second: you're painting a picture, but your eyes aren't very good, and you're in artificial light.. so is it better to just shut your eyes, and judge the colours by smelling the paint..?

Whoa, I think you have that backwards. Using meters is more akin to using a flashlight IMO than to shutting your eyes. You're getting more information about what is going on in the track, not less.

Anyway, if I really have an issue with the meters and want to know what is going on, I just click the meter and use the larger one displayed at the bottom of the screen.

*** Wait, sorry, that doesn't address you're post really. In regards to ModuLR's disabling the meters, I'm saying only do that if your hearing is really good. If your hearing sucks, then meters help you identify what is happening a bit better.

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