KVR Audio

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:22 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:I *never ever* thought about contributing to any such a thread. I mean, I'm a synth-idiot...All too bright, the latter two also being rather harsh/bright...the files certainly aren't "hyper-sawing" enough...but been too lazy...is way too strong as well...I'm not trying to get any Virus sound simulated...I don't even have a clue about what a Virus sounds like....I'm no synth-dude

Hi Sascha

. WAY, WAY too many disclaimers there! Or were you actually making fun of that tendency?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:25 pm

Once I bought a Moog as a reference for the XMF's filter design. Well, and I've just recently been inspired to develop a SuperSaw that goes up to 11, so I thought I'd check out the TI's Hypersaw as a reference (and maybe other aspects, if I find them). To my surprise there were several things that I didn't know of, such as extra oscillator modes and more filter distortions than in my good old A.

I also wanted to know how that patch for the infamous Virus Arp is programmed. So I bought that one as well. It's an amazing patch! I'll post an mp3 soon!

To tell you the truth: The TI sounds MUCH better than my Virus A. I guess mostly because the presets are more modern.

It indeed has something to it. For instance I believe that it sounds a bit compressed all by itself.

There's probably a lot to be learned.

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:32 pm

Hey Urs,

cool how you're going into it, man! Great dedication.

Shogger

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:34 pm

Howard wrote: Hi Sascha . WAY, WAY too many disclaimers there! Or were you actually making fun of that tendency?

Nah - I mean, seriously, I really didn't want to do any true efforts to get the sound done, I just slapped the MIDI file onto a track, loaded 4 or 5 patches and turned some knobs for few minutes, not even knowing what exactly I should/could do. Yet, while sounding quite harsh (probably due to the distortion spaceman mentioned, or due to whatever lacks of the synth I used), I didn't find it to sound all that much worse of what has already been posted, so I uploaded it.
And btw, I quite like the closed filter sounds of my example, wish I could somehow mellow out the open filter parts. Ah well, that's really something I like in the original example: When the filter is closed, there's still quite some defined attack, but when it opens, the sound is getting brilliant (obviously) but still not harsh at all, it's even getting sort of lush, from what I remember. Maybe some tricky programming and something more than just some filter modulation going on?

Fortunately, I can't make any use of such sounds personally, so I don't feel any urgent need to get any better examples done. But, after trying out a few presets of a few (quality) VSTis that are supposed to be tarnce-ish, I can perfectly understand how it could get a tough thing to get to that very sound. Maybe there's something really clever happening inside a Virus indeed.

Oh btw, has anybody slapped the MIDI file onto refx' Vengeance yet? Isn't it supposed to be one of the tarnce-master VSTis?

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:36 pm

Urs, do I get this right? You bought a Virus TI just to check out what's going on?
Well - that's dedication indeed!
(At first I thought you borrowed it or so...)

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:38 pm

He also bought it to learn from it and make his own product better. That's how most developers do it, they get reference products of the same type to learn from, and Virus TI is one such reference.

gsoto · Post by **gsoto** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:39 pm

Urs wrote:I also wanted to know how that patch for the infamous Virus Arp is programmed. So I bought that one as well. It's an amazing patch! I'll post an mp3 soon!

rsmus7 · Post by **rsmus7** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:09 pm

ok here are two more attempts
(both are pure Zebra)

Zebra arp 2

Zebra arp 3

what I learn from this little lesson:
it is really not so much about the sound, but much more about
automation and FX that you use, what you can get out of a synth.
The pure sound of Zebra that I used is not that impressive.

and thanks Urs, for your new machine, we will have much fun
and new features when you "found it".

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:17 pm

Urs wrote:Funnily, no-one realizes how on-topic that pic is...

Well, I can see you have 2 Viruses now

Bought or borrowed?

Edit: Damn. Sascha beat me to it...
Edit2: Even Urs beat me to it...

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:22 pm

Urs wrote:Once I bought a Moog as a reference for the XMF's filter design. Well, and I've just recently been inspired to develop a SuperSaw that goes up to 11, so I thought I'd check out the TI's Hypersaw as a reference (and maybe other aspects, if I find them). To my surprise there were several things that I didn't know of, such as extra oscillator modes and more filter distortions than in my good old A.

I also wanted to know how that patch for the infamous Virus Arp is programmed. So I bought that one as well. It's an amazing patch! I'll post an mp3 soon!

To tell you the truth: The TI sounds MUCH better than my Virus A. I guess mostly because the presets are more modern.

It indeed has something to it. For instance I believe that it sounds a bit compressed all by itself.

There's probably a lot to be learned.

i don't know how you do it

if i programed Zebra2 i would be so smug even my kids wouldn't be good enough to talk to me!

looking forward to what it inspires & the mp3 demo of this (now oh so famous) virus patch

Subz

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:22 pm

Urs wrote:I also wanted to know how that patch for the infamous Virus Arp is programmed. So I bought that one as well.

Why not push the envelope. It may be the hottest arp on the block but it's not particularly smart. The possibilities for arpeggiators have hardly been touched. Harmonic theory, Narmour analysis, Counterpoint. All applicable to arpeggiators. It's pretty much virgin territory.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:27 pm

nuffink wrote:
Urs wrote:I also wanted to know how that patch for the infamous Virus Arp is programmed. So I bought that one as well.
Why not push the envelope. It may be the hottest arp on the block but it's not particularly smart. The possibilities for arpeggiators have hardly been touched. Harmonic theory, Narmour analysis, Counterpoint. All applicable to arpeggiators. It's pretty much virgin territory.

so there may be a new plugin from nuffink soon?

arpspace?

Still loving your player (& the free version)

Subz

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:27 pm

I want to play too!

arpyarpy!

Sorry about faults and errors....

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:30 pm

Urs wrote:To tell you the truth: The TI sounds MUCH better than my Virus A. I guess mostly because the presets are more modern.

Surely you don't mean those 2 crappy "HS" banks, Urs?

There's probably a lot to be learned.

Er... yes there is. Anyway - congratulations on your new "toy"!

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:09 pm

djsubject wrote:
nuffink wrote:
Urs wrote:I also wanted to know how that patch for the infamous Virus Arp is programmed. So I bought that one as well.
Why not push the envelope. It may be the hottest arp on the block but it's not particularly smart. The possibilities for arpeggiators have hardly been touched. Harmonic theory, Narmour analysis, Counterpoint. All applicable to arpeggiators. It's pretty much virgin territory.
so there may be a new plugin from nuffink soon?

arpspace?

Still loving your player (& the free version)

Subz

if so, make sure it works on the mac!!

(would love a great arp!)

The "Zebra2 plays Virus" challenge