The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[Ogopogo]

64 bit Bitwig supports 32 and 64 bit plugs

So 32 Bitwig only supports 32 bit plugs, right? I'm assuming it's not possible for a 32 bit daw to support 64 bit plugs?

There is only 1 version of Bitwig, but it supports both 32-bit and 64-bit plugins on Mac/Windows.

So is it 32 bit or 64?

[egbert]

If it supports 64 bit plugins, it is a 64 bit app.

[xerxes[no]]

Sorry Tom, one more question if you have time. When you edit audio events inside an audioclip, where you can split, reverse, chop etc.. I have not seen a video where it shows fades on each event. Please tell me there are fades?

No fades. ATM it's hard cuts only, the In and Out Fade-Buttons in the Inspector are only very short ones to prevent clicks. No overlapping audio and no fades.
I know it hurts.

Cheers,

Tom

Only hard cuts would be boring! What's wrong with the gain expression lane? Fading individual snippets with direct feedback of the audio level in the waveform representation? I love it!

Cheers,
Dom

Great to see you here, Dom! Hands on support even before release, that is class! And yes, ofcourse - why did I not think of that? Fades is no issues then

Also, Dom - love the fact that you come from the old tracker days - been using them since 1989 - and still use Renoise a lot. Rock on!

[Ogopogo]

If it supports 64 bit plugins, it is a 64 bit app.

Ok thank you, but that creates some confusion because on their site they say they support 32 and 64 bit windows, so that doesn't jive with the idea that there is only one version.

[ThomasHelzle]

Sorry Tom, one more question if you have time. When you edit audio events inside an audioclip, where you can split, reverse, chop etc.. I have not seen a video where it shows fades on each event. Please tell me there are fades?

No fades. ATM it's hard cuts only, the In and Out Fade-Buttons in the Inspector are only very short ones to prevent clicks. No overlapping audio and no fades.
I know it hurts.

Cheers,

Tom

Only hard cuts would be boring! What's wrong with the gain expression lane? Fading individual snippets with direct feedback of the audio level in the waveform representation? I love it!

Cheers,
Dom

I was referring to continuous audio with no gaps - since you can't overlap snippets, you can only have hard cuts. The gain expression only helps you if you (can) leave space between them (or work with two tracks interleaving between them).

Or am I missing something?

Cheers,

Tom

[Ogopogo]

Seems he thought you were talking about the ability to create a simple fade out or in effect on some audio, rather than crossfading.

[dom@bitwig]

Sorry Tom, one more question if you have time. When you edit audio events inside an audioclip, where you can split, reverse, chop etc.. I have not seen a video where it shows fades on each event. Please tell me there are fades?

No fades. ATM it's hard cuts only, the In and Out Fade-Buttons in the Inspector are only very short ones to prevent clicks. No overlapping audio and no fades.
I know it hurts.

Cheers,

Tom

Only hard cuts would be boring! What's wrong with the gain expression lane? Fading individual snippets with direct feedback of the audio level in the waveform representation? I love it!

Cheers,
Dom

I was referring to continuous audio with no gaps - since you can't overlap snippets, you can only have hard cuts. The gain expression only helps you if you (can) leave space between them (or work with two tracks interleaving between them).

Or am I missing something?

Cheers,

Tom

Exactly, fades per snippet but no overlapping snippets and therefore no crossfades.

Cheers,
Dom

[EvilDragon]

Why miss out on such a crucial mixing feature as a crossfade?

[cranium]

Browser Question

Scrolling up / down through the sample browser using the scroll buttons will playback samples in most DAW's.

But it seems that not all developers have thought about adding the ability to re-audition the selected sample by pressing the "right" cursor on the qwerty keyboard.

By adding this option we can tap the "right" cursor to the beat in order to repeat the currently selected sample (from the browser) when finding that perfect sample building drum loops.

As far as I know only FL Studio has this implemented in its browser which totally rocks.

I'm pretty sure Bitwig's browser can do so as well right?

As Andy already said, that is mostly possible.
You have additional buttons for automatic playback of loops/samples when selected and whether or not to play them in song tempo.
And I just tried: if the sample/loop is playing, hitting right arrow stops, hitting it again (re-)starts from the beginning, so if you hit it very fast twice, you get the asked for behaviour.
You would need to try out if that fits the bill

I personally like the navigation a lot. It's interesting how pressing the left button goes to the upper browser window where you select folders and the right button goes into the folder content list in the lower pane. Other browsers often require one to switch between two such windows with a separate shortcut...

Cheers,

Tom

Awesome!

[dom@bitwig]

Great to see you here, Dom! Hands on support even before release, that is class! And yes, ofcourse - why did I not think of that? Fades is no issues then

Also, Dom - love the fact that you come from the old tracker days - been using them since 1989 - and still use Renoise a lot. Rock on!

Rockin' the oldschool!

[dsan@mail.com]

I don't understand why a crossfade feature is so crucial, I guess mainly because it's something I don't often use in my current processes; however, cannot the same affect be the result of setting the audio on multiple tracks and fade in or out via gain?

I suppose it will be more convenient if the audio clips were to be on the same track but for my work it's not that big of a deal to set multiple tracks.

I'm sure I'm missing something since so many find crossfading necessary so I am hopeful someone will take the opportunity to clue me.

Thanks!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[EvilDragon]

Yes, you're missing out on a crucial method of editing when you're recording on one track with punch-ins. Using multiple tracks is a chore and unnecessary overhead. There are other scenarios that benefit wildly from crossfades.

[Ogopogo]

Yes, its more convenient but it's one of those things that people use so heavily that convenience is completely required. The fact is that probably the vast majority of people who do digital audio are going to want to join two pieces of audio together, and crossfading is the way to do it right; without any issues like pops or gaps. Doing takes and comping them together is a normal part of the recording process.

[LawrenceF]

Agree with ED. Crossfades are a pretty common edit function.

In proper context though, it's more a music production tool, not an editing tool so much yet so, not a really big deal in any way that I can see... unless someone will try to make into PT or something like that.

Maybe a few more seconds of manual editing if you do audio punches. Maybe not a major deal in this context where (I assume) most will be using virtual instruments, maybe not recording or punching a lot of audio tracks.

In the context of what it is at 1.0, crossfades being missing there would get a "meh, not a big deal" from me, mmv. I mean, it doesn't seem to even be for that. Of all the demo vids I've not yet even seen one doing any multitrack recording.

[ThomasHelzle]

I personally see this even more problematic in clips in the cliplauncher, where you can't really work with two tracks. And I'm aware that it's a high-level complaint, since in Live we can't work with audio at all inside of clips.
But to really use this feature to it's full potential (audio editing inside of clips), overlaps and crossfades are what I'm missing most.

There's a world outside of drum-loops where hard cuts may work ...

Cheers,

Tom