The Wagtunes Corner (Featuring My Best Yet)
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
- KVRAF
- 18342 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Everything I do (if you listen to my other songs) is quantized to death. This one I purposely played it loose.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:19 pmI'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
No, it's just not for you.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
You want me to do a quantized version of this? It'll sound like shit. But just for you I'm going to go in and put everything right on the grid.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:19 pmI'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Okay, here you go.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:19 pmI'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
My opinion? Yeah, it's tighter. I don't necessarily think it sounds any better. I like both ways so it doesn't really matter to me. But if it's gonna piss people off because the MIDI was literally 1/32 note early and/or late, I certainly wouldn't want that.
- KVRAF
- 18342 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
That’s a lot better. Events are still happening in some odd places, which still gives it a loose feel, but it’s no longer sounding like a record you accidentally left out on the radiator on a cold night. I’m not saying that a loose feel is bad, but there’s a groove, and there’s just sloppy timing.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 4:07 pmOkay, here you go.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:19 pmI'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
My opinion? Yeah, it's tighter. I don't necessarily think it sounds any better. I like both ways so it doesn't really matter to me. But if it's gonna piss people off because the MIDI was literally 1/32 note early and/or late, I certainly wouldn't want that.
I know that you and I have similar tastes, at least in my love of the British Invasion music, and music inspired by it, like disco and new wave. I hear the 80s era Lennon-Ono influence all over this song, but if you listen to the music from that era, you’ll never hear the kind of drunken tempo changes that were extreme (or really at all) in the first version of your song. It’s not really about the “grid,” as much as it’s about having a stable tempo. I love a track with a lot of swing, but under those early or late notes is a steady tempo.
Anyway, I’m not “mad.” It doesn’t matter to me at all, and if it doesn’t matter to you, then do what you want. I only comment because it seems to matter to you, because of phrases like, “I hope at least one person gives it a listen.” Well, you accomplished that. I think if you spend some time analyzing your timing, and working on it, as many as 4 people will listen to your songs. That’s about what I usually get.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Believe me, I know my timing is bad. You should see a simple bass line after I've recorded it. It's always a good 1/32 note before the beat at best. And then after I quantize, some notes are so off I have to go in and move them. So you don't have to tell me about my timing. It's dreadful. Which is why I figured, let me just play this thing free form and see how it goes. I thought it sounded okay since the whole thing was off. But obviously not.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 5:53 pmThat’s a lot better. Events are still happening in some odd places, which still gives it a loose feel, but it’s no longer sounding like a record you accidentally left out on the radiator on a cold night. I’m not saying that a loose feel is bad, but there’s a groove, and there’s just sloppy timing.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 4:07 pmOkay, here you go.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:19 pmI'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
My opinion? Yeah, it's tighter. I don't necessarily think it sounds any better. I like both ways so it doesn't really matter to me. But if it's gonna piss people off because the MIDI was literally 1/32 note early and/or late, I certainly wouldn't want that.
I know that you and I have similar tastes, at least in my love of the British Invasion music, and music inspired by it, like disco and new wave. I hear the 80s era Lennon-Ono influence all over this song, but if you listen to the music from that era, you’ll never hear the kind of drunken tempo changes that were extreme (or really at all) in the first version of your song. It’s not really about the “grid,” as much as it’s about having a stable tempo. I love a track with a lot of swing, but under those early or late notes is a steady tempo.
Anyway, I’m not “mad.” It doesn’t matter to me at all, and if it doesn’t matter to you, then do what you want. I only comment because it seems to matter to you, because of phrases like, “I hope at least one person gives it a listen.” Well, you accomplished that. I think if you spend some time analyzing your timing, and working on it, as many as 4 people will listen to your songs. That’s about what I usually get.![]()
Thanks for the listen. Maybe I'll get 4 too. LOL
- KVRAF
- 18342 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Yeah, I’ll often give up on a fast guitar line that I can’t get the timing right on, and just use Bitwig’s audio event editor to nudge some notes around. I’m too slow in my old age.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 6:32 pmBelieve me, I know my timing is bad. You should see a simple bass line after I've recorded it. It's always a good 1/32 note before the beat at best. And then after I quantize, some notes are so off I have to go in and move them. So you don't have to tell me about my timing. It's dreadful. Which is why I figured, let me just play this thing free form and see how it goes. I thought it sounded okay since the whole thing was off. But obviously not.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 5:53 pmThat’s a lot better. Events are still happening in some odd places, which still gives it a loose feel, but it’s no longer sounding like a record you accidentally left out on the radiator on a cold night. I’m not saying that a loose feel is bad, but there’s a groove, and there’s just sloppy timing.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 4:07 pmOkay, here you go.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 2:19 pmI'm going to give you a bit of tough love.wagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
Your timing... is horrible. It sounds like you're continually speeding up and slowing down, as if drunk. I'm fine with slow tempo changes during the course of a song, but it seems as if you've got the BPM on a random LFO, and I can't handle it. I literally couldn't take it. The sound of it is good, the composition good, etc, but you need to embrace the metronome and quantize function. If this is truly what you're going for, then maybe it's just not for me, but it's so off it actually makes me angry.
My playing can have timing issues too, but that's what punch-in/out is for. If it's a part played in MIDI, I'll select the events with the issue and quantize them a bit.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
My opinion? Yeah, it's tighter. I don't necessarily think it sounds any better. I like both ways so it doesn't really matter to me. But if it's gonna piss people off because the MIDI was literally 1/32 note early and/or late, I certainly wouldn't want that.
I know that you and I have similar tastes, at least in my love of the British Invasion music, and music inspired by it, like disco and new wave. I hear the 80s era Lennon-Ono influence all over this song, but if you listen to the music from that era, you’ll never hear the kind of drunken tempo changes that were extreme (or really at all) in the first version of your song. It’s not really about the “grid,” as much as it’s about having a stable tempo. I love a track with a lot of swing, but under those early or late notes is a steady tempo.
Anyway, I’m not “mad.” It doesn’t matter to me at all, and if it doesn’t matter to you, then do what you want. I only comment because it seems to matter to you, because of phrases like, “I hope at least one person gives it a listen.” Well, you accomplished that. I think if you spend some time analyzing your timing, and working on it, as many as 4 people will listen to your songs. That’s about what I usually get.![]()
Thanks for the listen. Maybe I'll get 4 too. LOL
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- KVRist
- 140 posts since 26 Apr, 2025
I've got to agree with zerocrossing - the quantized version is a lot better and it still has a non-mechanical feel to the timing. I only made it about a third of the way through the original version, but this version I listened all the way to the end.
I liked the music better than the vocal, although I find it hard to specify what it is about the vocal that doesn't work for me.
I don't know how you churn out all these songs so fast.
I liked the music better than the vocal, although I find it hard to specify what it is about the vocal that doesn't work for me.
I don't know how you churn out all these songs so fast.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
You probably don't like the vocal because it's AI. A lot of people don't like AI vocals.procrastive wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 2:41 am I've got to agree with zerocrossing - the quantized version is a lot better and it still has a non-mechanical feel to the timing. I only made it about a third of the way through the original version, but this version I listened all the way to the end.
I liked the music better than the vocal, although I find it hard to specify what it is about the vocal that doesn't work for me.
I don't know how you churn out all these songs so fast.
Anyway, thanks for the listen and the feedback. It's easy to crank out tunes when you've been writing for almost 50 years.
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- KVRAF
- 2452 posts since 1 Jul, 2021
I am in a slow song mood, love the drum breaks/fills and the reverbwagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
That's Valhalla Vintage Reverb all through this.DCrown wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 4:58 amI am in a slow song mood, love the drum breaks/fills and the reverbwagtunes wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:08 pm 4th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
Arguably the best thing I've ever done. It certainly sounds nothing like me. Hope at least one person gives it a listen.
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ed-to-love
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
5th track from my upcoming CD "Box Set Vol 2"
I call this genre "Journeyscape" Hey, it might catch on. LOL
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/battalion
** EDIT ** OMG just for the hell of it, I looked up Journeyscape. There actually is such a genre.
Journeyscapes (or sometimes referred to as Journeyscape) is a music genre and radio format characterized by a blend of ambient, downtempo, electronic space music, and global chill. It is designed to be immersive, otherworldly, and, as the name suggests, suitable for "journeys," whether literal travel or mental relaxation.
I call this genre "Journeyscape" Hey, it might catch on. LOL
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/battalion
** EDIT ** OMG just for the hell of it, I looked up Journeyscape. There actually is such a genre.
Journeyscapes (or sometimes referred to as Journeyscape) is a music genre and radio format characterized by a blend of ambient, downtempo, electronic space music, and global chill. It is designed to be immersive, otherworldly, and, as the name suggests, suitable for "journeys," whether literal travel or mental relaxation.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 22873 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Thanks. I thought it was okay.DCrown wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2026 11:53 am Very interesting and creative, surprising arrangement.
track is longer than 2 minutes, I like it