Official Arturia VCollection5 thread

[Aloysius]

Sp basically, we should all just ignore the elephant in the room.

[jbraner]

Hi Scotty,

Good post, and I agree with you. The only part where I think they dropped the ball is this:

Otherwise for a paltry $9.99 you can update the interface of any single older plugin.

For V Collection Classics owners, we don't have this choice.

I can still enjoy Analog Lab 2, but I'd upgrade my 5 synths for $9.99 each if I could

There *is* an elephant in the room - but we can also talk about the good parts of the upgrade too

[HunterKiller]

The ARP 2600 has been reviewed by SOS magazine and it was rated superior to the Timewarp options which is its closest competitor that I have tried. Despite its age it remains a valuable part of the collection.

Actually the sad truth is that Arturia's ARP2600 is not an emulation at all. They should have called the synth: $$#G^$#^$$#FH$%^#$, that's how much it has to do with a real emulation.

TimewARP2600 at least tries, and for 2005 synth, does very well.
SOS was completely wrong with that review, one of their biggest blunders.

[Aloysius]

I mentioned earlier that I can actually use Analog Lab 2 on my system. Not all the Arturia offerings are as kind to my CPU.

I'm starting to think that all of the Arturia offerings would work on my system without a bother, if Arturia employed a more experienced graphics designer. If everything worked better, I'd have more time for messing about with the actual sounds rather that fighting with CPU issues, Installer Issues ... etc.

[HunterKiller]

Wanna see my idea of good labeling, check this screenshot from my Black skin for DUNE BE.

Of course i had to go a few extra miles to make them that sharp and clear, but id say it was definitely worth the effort...

click for fullsize

Where can I get that skin ENV?

Also do you have one without the hexagons in the screen/monitor?

[wwjd]

anyone: is there an ANALOG DRIFT setting anywhere in these V5 things? Something to give it less perfect oscilators when desired?

[fmr]

Actually the sad truth is that Arturia's ARP2600 is not an emulation at all. They should have called the synth: $$#G^$#^$$#FH$%^#$, that's how much it has to do with a real emulation.

TimewARP2600 at least tries, and for 2005 synth, does very well.
SOS was completely wrong with that review, one of their biggest blunders.

In your opinion

[exmatproton]

Hhmmm,

I did some readings on the block waveforms of several Arturia synths and heard and saw this:

ARP2600 block.JPG

As you can see, the block is a pulse (at around 30%) and becomes a block in time. This is really annoying. I can hear (and see) the same with the new Prophet synth.
I have no envelopes and/or mods routed to the pulse width. And this is not part of the original synth, as they won't change the width when set to 50%.

Anyone else noticed this??

[zerocrossing]

The ARP 2600 has been reviewed by SOS magazine and it was rated superior to the Timewarp options which is its closest competitor that I have tried. Despite its age it remains a valuable part of the collection.

Actually the sad truth is that Arturia's ARP2600 is not an emulation at all. They should have called the synth: $$#G^$#^$$#FH$%^#$, that's how much it has to do with a real emulation.

TimewARP2600 at least tries, and for 2005 synth, does very well.
SOS was completely wrong with that review, one of their biggest blunders.

[edit] I was thinking about Oddity 2. ARP2600's filter doesn't seem at all like the ATC's in a test I just did. Not bad, but pretty different. I know there were different filter revisions, eh? Maybe what my ATC is trying to duplicate is different than what the 2600V is trying to do. It's not bad.

[ENV1]

Had some time on my hands, so i tried to figure out the new minimoog preset format.

Pretty simple: You have a number that specifies the amount of chars of the parameter name, then comes the parameter name itself, then comes the value for that parameter. Rinse, repeat. Differences: Compared with Xaviers original preset system, the values are now strictly 0-1. So what used to be 5.000000e-001 in the old format (the 'e-001' postfix meant 'divided by 10') is now 0.5 in the new format. Some value-ranges (VCO Foot, Matrix Sources/Targets, etc.) have changed as well, but were easy enough to figure out by looking at other presets.

Simple enough. So now that i understood how the system works i took the '1 Osc' preset from the Templates folder and started to transfer the precise values from an old-version preset file over into that new-format file. This worked perfectly, except for the fact that after the first use of the preset the synth had altered certain values in the preset file to slightly different values. (By itself, mind, preset saving is disabled in the demos.) For instance the DRY_WET_DELAI parameter has a value of 3.500000e-001 in the original preset file. In the new format this would be 0.35, so thats what i entered. However, after using the preset and closing the synth, that value was changed to 0.34999999. Reason unknown, i didnt touch anything. There were a couple other values where similar changes occured, for instance the LFO_RATE parameter originally had a value of 5.335625e-001 (which is 0.5335625 in the new format), but was changed to 0.53356248 when i re-checked the file. Nothing dramatic of course, but IMO still worth mentioning.


At any rate, i now had a new-format preset which contained the precise values of the old version preset. This allowed me to compare the sound of old and new on equal settings, (which was the whole point of the excercise), and the sound of the new version is definitely a lot different, no doubt about it. I still think its missing 'something' in the mid-bass range compared with the old version, but the treble range definitely has more presence and you could probably also call it 'cleaner'. Whether thats a good thing or a bad thing of course depends on whether youre making brighter stuff or more bassy stuff.


Conclusion: The new version aint bad, i see no reason why somebody should NOT get it. But is it a reason to throw away the old version? No. Not in my opinion. On the contrary, some will probably even prefer the old version because the new version can get extremely bright and sharp on presets that require a more open filter.

[ENV1]

Where can I get that skin ENV?

Its in the resources section for DUNE here on KVR.

Also do you have one without the hexagons in the screen/monitor?

Yes, that was requested by another member so i provided that too.

Its the 'DisplayNoGrid' archive.

[Aloysius]

Where can I get that skin ENV?

Its in the resources section for DUNE here on KVR.

Also do you have one without the hexagons in the screen/monitor?

Yes, that was requested by another member so i provided that too.

Its the 'DisplayNoGrid' archive.

Link

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dune-by ... /downloads

[vic_france]

A bit disappointed by the pianos (difficult not to be when comparing against Pianoteq ).

Absolutely - The pianos sound absolutely laughable in comparison to Pianoteq despite the install footprint being over 5 times the size. The only thing in the pack that I've now uninstalled as Pianoteq 5 completely destroys all the pianos it's emulating.

You guys just made me want to get the Pianoteq The Stage version is included whey buying a KeyLab 88, it's logical to expect a better piano from a newer product, especially if they want to replace Pianoteq with their own.

But meanwhile I can appreciate the Piano V, thinking of it as an additional bonus of a physical modelling based piano. I've been looking at the Petit Piano and I can get some of the vibe from the Piano V for less hd space. Not bad for the first version, since Arturia usually came with an update to make it better. For now it's more useful for a non standard piano and when being layered with other synth.

I'm not a big piano guy, but is it really that bad? In one of the demo tracks I thought it sounded pretty nice. Usually one of the included sample based pianos in Komplete is good enough for me.

In fact, I am beginning to "warm" to some of these pianos a little now .. quite "tweakable".. the concert grand, brightened up a bit via the Tuning/Settings pane is getting much more like it here IMHO . Still doesn't have quite the subtility of the dynamics of the Pianoteq offerings, but beginning to get much more "playable" than right out of the box. There's hope for some of the uprights too .(although we do need something a bit cleverer than a global Unison Detune (effectively just a chorus) on the Piano-bar Upright in order to get a decent honky-tonk .

[mcbpete]

Going back to the crazy extravagant programming of the GUI I thought I'd actually look at how much of the suite is taken up just with the bitmaps. Here's the breakdown:

Analog Lab 2 - 124Mb
ARP 2600 - 118Mb
B-3 - 277Mb
CS-80 - 455Mb (!)
Farfisa - 217Mb
Jup-8 - 133Mb
Matrix-12 - 95Mb
Mini - 218Mb
Modular - 665Mb (!)
Piano - 201Mb
Prophet - 289Mb
SEM - 233Mb
Solina - 64Mb
Stage 73 - 218Mb
Synclavier - 350Mb
Vox Continental - 150Mb
Wurli V2 - 159Mb

Total - 3.97Gb

4 flipping gigabytes *just* to make shiny keys, switches and dials ?! They need to talk to these people who managed to make this whole thing (sound and all!) with merely 4 kilobytes:

I mean don't get me wrong I do like the collection, but hell - no wonder each plugin is so sluggish to load

[beatmangler443]

Would you guys get the upgrade to 5 or should I get the upgrade to omisphere 2?