KVR Audio

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:19 pm

My second attempt. This time it's my trusty old ES2.
I'm not a very good programmer but I think it shows the potential of this synth when it's in good hands.

ES2 does Virus arp thingie

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:22 pm

suthnear wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?cmft1wmawot

That's pretty close to the original. The original has a bit less "excitement" during the phaser stage...

GHOST19 · Post by **GHOST19** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:43 pm

It still seems that the xhip try comes the closest.
I don't see exactly the point of all this. The preset is not that exceptional to try to recreate it exactly. It's like the Benassi sound. You won't get exactly the same thing but that doesn't mean it doesn't sound as good.
There are some very good (and some not so good

) arps in this thread and sound design seems to make much more difference than the synth used.

spacefox · Post by **spacefox** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:44 pm

nuffink wrote:Tragically the original post seems to have been deleted from the database.

Were you looking for this?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:54 pm

GHOST19 wrote:It still seems that the xhip try comes the closest.
I don't see exactly the point of all this. The preset is not that exceptional to try to recreate it exactly. It's like the Benassi sound. You won't get exactly the same thing but that doesn't mean it doesn't sound as good.
There are some very good (and some not so good ) arps in this thread and sound design seems to make much more difference than the synth used.

No. The basic problem remains the same. People hear a demo of synth XY which is somewhat expensive and think its sounds is the holy grail. Instead of asking "uh, is that really possible?" they demand that the holy grail can not be found elsewhere. This is proven by the failure to achieve the same sound in any other synth. But reality is, there is no holy grail. The original synth XY can not reproduce the sound either. How about that?

Summa · Post by **Summa** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:55 pm

Urs wrote:There's probably a lot to be learned.

Try to copy (get inspired by) the Virus parameter interpolation, I found it a bit steppy when I checked the Zebra 2 demo a few weeks ago...

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:05 pm

spacefox wrote:
nuffink wrote:Tragically the original post seems to have been deleted from the database.
Were you looking for this?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

That's the one. Well found. I wonder if hardikaveri knows of his small place in musical history?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:11 pm

Summa wrote:
Urs wrote:There's probably a lot to be learned.
Try to copy (get inspired by) the Virus parameter interpolation, I found it a bit steppy when I checked the Zebra 2 demo a few weeks ago...

I think the ModWheel is a bit steppy. Parameters as well? I'll check out making this optional - during my long-term project called "Preferences"

I just found out that the brightness of the LEDs can be adjusted in the Virus. I actually took the 61-keys version because the guys at the shop said I couldn't dim the extremely bright LEDs of the Polar.

phattslagg · Post by **phattslagg** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:18 pm

Urs wrote:I actually took the 61-keys version because the guys at the shop said I couldn't dim the extremely bright LEDs of the Polar.

Well, you got a damn nice keyboard! I wish I had room for the 61-key version.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:21 pm

phattslagg wrote:I wish I had room for the 61-key version.

Me too.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:28 pm

Urs wrote:
GHOST19 wrote:It still seems that the xhip try comes the closest.
I don't see exactly the point of all this. The preset is not that exceptional to try to recreate it exactly. It's like the Benassi sound. You won't get exactly the same thing but that doesn't mean it doesn't sound as good.
There are some very good (and some not so good ) arps in this thread and sound design seems to make much more difference than the synth used.
No. The basic problem remains the same. People hear a demo of synth XY which is somewhat expensive and think its sounds is the holy grail. Instead of asking "uh, is that really possible?" they demand that the holy grail can not be found elsewhere. This is proven by the failure to achieve the same sound in any other synth. But reality is, there is no holy grail. The original synth XY can not reproduce the sound either. How about that?

So, the conclusion is what? That the demo patches clip has some compression/"mastering" done to it? Personally I wouldn't be surprised.

Could you perhaps run the virus arp MIDI file on your TI, with the original preset that you bought, and post it here for comparison? It would be rather interesting.

Cheers!
bManic

Summa · Post by **Summa** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:44 pm

Urs wrote:
Summa wrote:
Urs wrote:There's probably a lot to be learned.
Try to copy (get inspired by) the Virus parameter interpolation, I found it a bit steppy when I checked the Zebra 2 demo a few weeks ago...
I think the ModWheel is a bit steppy. Parameters as well? I'll check out making this optional - during my long-term project called "Preferences"

I guess I tried mod-wheel and direct assignment to the filter frequency at high resonance, since that's what I usualy check on synths. Their's an off switch for interpolation on the Virus as well, otherwise adjusting oscillator frequencies for FM and Ringmod sounds can be a bit cumbersome...

I just found out that the brightness of the LEDs can be adjusted in the Virus. I actually took the 61-keys version because the guys at the shop said I couldn't dim the extremely bright LEDs of the Polar.

I'm fine with the desktop version and since I take naps in my "studio"/living room it was one the first things I checked, since it's for sure one of the blinding highlights of the synth

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:59 pm

BlackOp wrote:Had a few goes (not with zebra). Although I don't really like this sound. There are way better sounds in the demo mp3s.

http://minorcrisis.net/files/v1.mp3
http://minorcrisis.net/files/v2.mp3
http://minorcrisis.net/files/v3.mp3

ps. what's with people saying tarnce all the time? Is that supposed to be some sort of passive aggressive insult towards trance?

Curious what you used for those?

No comments on my last effort - I thought I at least got a little closer. . .

bagginz · Post by **bagginz** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:20 am

Urs wrote: I just found out that the brightness of the LEDs can be adjusted in the Virus. I actually took the 61-keys version because the guys at the shop said I couldn't dim the extremely bright LEDs of the Polar.

Off topic but:

Recently I played a gig and there was a nice new Virus Polar TI about 5 feet away from my face onstage near the DJ mixer. The stage lighting was subdued but not dark.

Before I started playing, I had to ask some guys to move it away as I was completely dazzled and couldn't even see my backlit laptop screen properly!

Alright if you need a suntan...

bagginz

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:07 am

Urs wrote:
suthnear wrote:http://www.mediafire.com/?cmft1wmawot
That's pretty close to the original. The original has a bit less "excitement" during the phaser stage...

I probably just opened up the filters a bit too much. I was thoroughly sick of the arp by then

fwiw, I don't think he used anything other than, perhaps, an exciter on the piece. It's just too busy for a compressor to do much good - unless he recorded it completely dry and then added delay and verb afterwards (which I doubt). As I said earlier, the virus has very distinctive percussive envelopes (particularly the decay). I have a hazy memory of it having a built-in limiter, but that might be a TI only feature. And speaking of which, while you're analysing your shiny new TI take a good look at the way portamento is implemented. I'm fairly sure that this also plays a role in the original.

The "Zebra2 plays Virus" challenge