Yeah, that sounds good. It's fun to experiment around like that with the components.redshift factor wrote:Thanks for the reply, Squids. After looking closer at the AT2 components, I saw it provides a 2x12 closed Greenback model. Once you're able to integrate ATJH into AT2, you should be able to create an authentic sounding original Bluesbreaker by combining the JTM45 amp with the AT2 2x12 Greenback model (and sticking in the Opto-Tremolo.)
I assume you'll be able to mix and match individual module components between AT2 and ATJH once you can integrate them, so, if the JTM45 has Jimi's authentic tone stack mod, you should in theory be able to use the British Tube Lead 1 EQ from AT2 to "unmod" it, if you wish.
Or better yet, perhaps IK could include both a stock and modded JTM45 EQ module to choose from in a future ATJH update (assuming they don't already.)
Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I got suckered in by Future Publishing to buy their Guitar DVD presentation of Axis: Bold as Love video lessons. Haven't actually loaded it yet (though I'll let you know if it's any good, for the Hendrix fans out there) but it came with a booklet.
The booklet featured advertising, including AT2 JH Edition + special Stealth Plug. Cool. Had some Levy straps. Weird inauthentic Hendrix stuff. Had some Dean Markley signature strings. "What crap," I thought.
But none of it compared to the last page of the insert. Yes, Jimi Hendrix "Liquid Experience" energy drink. Endorsed by "Authentic Hendrix." Now I know for sure that their little endorsement means nothing.
But that's not the real point... the real point was it made me realize that at least IKMM are doing something, marketing-oriented or not, that at least has something to do with Hendrix. They tried (perhaps successfully, dunno yet) to recreate some of his gear and give people access to it. Whatever you might think about this marketing ploy, it's absolutely nothing compared to the shameless energy drink thing. That's just brutal. <laff>
Greg
The booklet featured advertising, including AT2 JH Edition + special Stealth Plug. Cool. Had some Levy straps. Weird inauthentic Hendrix stuff. Had some Dean Markley signature strings. "What crap," I thought.
But none of it compared to the last page of the insert. Yes, Jimi Hendrix "Liquid Experience" energy drink. Endorsed by "Authentic Hendrix." Now I know for sure that their little endorsement means nothing.
But that's not the real point... the real point was it made me realize that at least IKMM are doing something, marketing-oriented or not, that at least has something to do with Hendrix. They tried (perhaps successfully, dunno yet) to recreate some of his gear and give people access to it. Whatever you might think about this marketing ploy, it's absolutely nothing compared to the shameless energy drink thing. That's just brutal. <laff>
Greg
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- R.I.P.
- 3833 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from Santa Clara, CA, USA
I think its a great idea as this is bringing more awareness of the JH sound. Even though it's not the gear that makes you sound like Hendrix, but the fact they are acknowledging Hendrix leaves something to be commended.
BTW: Here is my Hendrix tribute, although I did not have this edition to create it, although wish I did
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176020
Tim
BTW: Here is my Hendrix tribute, although I did not have this edition to create it, although wish I did
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176020
Tim
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2035 posts since 6 Sep, 2005
Exactly what I was thinking in another page:Lunch Money wrote:I got suckered in by Future Publishing to buy their Guitar DVD presentation of Axis: Bold as Love video lessons. Haven't actually loaded it yet (though I'll let you know if it's any good, for the Hendrix fans out there) but it came with a booklet.
The booklet featured advertising, including AT2 JH Edition + special Stealth Plug. Cool. Had some Levy straps. Weird inauthentic Hendrix stuff. Had some Dean Markley signature strings. "What crap," I thought.
But none of it compared to the last page of the insert. Yes, Jimi Hendrix "Liquid Experience" energy drink. Endorsed by "Authentic Hendrix." Now I know for sure that their little endorsement means nothing.
But that's not the real point... the real point was it made me realize that at least IKMM are doing something, marketing-oriented or not, that at least has something to do with Hendrix. They tried (perhaps successfully, dunno yet) to recreate some of his gear and give people access to it. Whatever you might think about this marketing ploy, it's absolutely nothing compared to the shameless energy drink thing. That's just brutal. <laff>
Greg
I am pretty sure that the Hendrix estate managers, altough clueless on any notion of music whatsoever, were delighted to sell Hendrixe's name for that product, and to be honest, if one product deserves the Hendrix name it should at least be something god damn related to guitars, not a dumb energy drink!
I am not offended at all by IKMM carrying the Hendrix name, for a product that is supposed to emulate his gear.
The more I speak and think about it, the more I am getting really excited by that release
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2035 posts since 6 Sep, 2005
tconrardy, your song rocks!tconrardy wrote:I think its a great idea as this is bringing more awareness of the JH sound. Even though it's not the gear that makes you sound like Hendrix, but the fact they are acknowledging Hendrix leaves something to be commended.
BTW: Here is my Hendrix tribute, although I did not have this edition to create it, although wish I did
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176020
Tim
When the demo of AT2JHE is out, take a demo for a spin...now that they removed the dongles off they're products people without dongles can demo it as well.
Very wise decision from IKMM.
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- KVRian
- 1118 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
Really I don't understand the whole Jimi Hendrix theme. It could have just as easily been called the "Vintage Edition" or something and given IK way more latitude with their choices for gear. The Hendrix theme creates predicaments such as whether to recreate Jimi's tone stack mod or keep the model original to the stock JTM45, among others. It dictates what can't be included, and what must be.
And it all seems a bit unnecessary. It's not as though Hendrix invented any of this stuff. He merely used it. Even the Roger Mayer pedals (which I think gets a bit redundant with all the fuzz boxes) are available to all. If they weren't, then IK wouldn't have been able to model them. It's not like any of the actual equipment that Hendrix owned was modeled, just like units from the same production run of those years.
My concern is how much control Authentic Hendrix needlessly has over the product and how it and related products may be used in the future. Will IK even be allowed to integrate the ATJH components into AT2 under the licensing agreement? If so, will it require the AT2 installation to be overtaken by the Hendrix logo? And just how much money is IK giving to the Hendrix family just for using Jimi's likeness and name? How much is IK - and more importantly, IK's users - giving up for this Hendrix association?
Maybe this will sell more product for IK. I don't know. I think maybe a Kurt Cobain Edition, or Slipknot Edition would be more relevant today than a Hendrix Edition, from a marketing standpoint. Associating a product with a performer is always going to be controversial. Particularly when they're dead. If they're alive, then they're a "sellout", if they're dead, then they're being "exploited". And for many selfconcious musicians, anyone who might use an artist signature product is a "poseur" and a "wannabe". This discussion has been peppered with all of these attitudes, both subtly, and more overtly.
And I just wonder if in the end it's all worth it for just a meaningless artist association that has no impact whatsoever on the actual product. I'm looking forward to having a model of a Marshall JTM45/100, a Fender Twin Reverb, a vintage Bassman, a Vox wah, a Uni-vibe, and a Marshall Fuzz-Tone. But these are not the exclusive domain of Jimi Hendrix by any stretch, and IK could have just as easily delivered these models without any Hendrix association. Hell, with the exception of the THD model in AT2 and Ampeg SVX, IK doesn't even directly associate with the equipment they've modeled or their manufacturers. It seems a bit odd that a dead guitarist's family is getting money from IK Multimedia for modeling a Marshall amp, while Marshall doesn't even get official acknowledgement.
And it all seems a bit unnecessary. It's not as though Hendrix invented any of this stuff. He merely used it. Even the Roger Mayer pedals (which I think gets a bit redundant with all the fuzz boxes) are available to all. If they weren't, then IK wouldn't have been able to model them. It's not like any of the actual equipment that Hendrix owned was modeled, just like units from the same production run of those years.
My concern is how much control Authentic Hendrix needlessly has over the product and how it and related products may be used in the future. Will IK even be allowed to integrate the ATJH components into AT2 under the licensing agreement? If so, will it require the AT2 installation to be overtaken by the Hendrix logo? And just how much money is IK giving to the Hendrix family just for using Jimi's likeness and name? How much is IK - and more importantly, IK's users - giving up for this Hendrix association?
Maybe this will sell more product for IK. I don't know. I think maybe a Kurt Cobain Edition, or Slipknot Edition would be more relevant today than a Hendrix Edition, from a marketing standpoint. Associating a product with a performer is always going to be controversial. Particularly when they're dead. If they're alive, then they're a "sellout", if they're dead, then they're being "exploited". And for many selfconcious musicians, anyone who might use an artist signature product is a "poseur" and a "wannabe". This discussion has been peppered with all of these attitudes, both subtly, and more overtly.
And I just wonder if in the end it's all worth it for just a meaningless artist association that has no impact whatsoever on the actual product. I'm looking forward to having a model of a Marshall JTM45/100, a Fender Twin Reverb, a vintage Bassman, a Vox wah, a Uni-vibe, and a Marshall Fuzz-Tone. But these are not the exclusive domain of Jimi Hendrix by any stretch, and IK could have just as easily delivered these models without any Hendrix association. Hell, with the exception of the THD model in AT2 and Ampeg SVX, IK doesn't even directly associate with the equipment they've modeled or their manufacturers. It seems a bit odd that a dead guitarist's family is getting money from IK Multimedia for modeling a Marshall amp, while Marshall doesn't even get official acknowledgement.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Yeah, well we see all kinds of stuff happening like Beatles songs in commercials... a Hendrix drink? Wow. 
That seems pointless. But, again, icons like Hendrix, Marilyn Monroe, Bogart, Dean... that's just something that happens in our society. People love the association with legendary actors and musicians. But it's not mutually exclusive that if there's something out there that's lame in your opinion in association with someone like that, there can't be something else that's cool and respectful. I see you guys recognize that so it's not that I am taking an opposite side on it but more enforcing that point of view.
So, all other licensing business aside, this one seems to make a lot of sense. Yes, it COULD have been called "Vintage Edition" but then again "vintage" in the case of guitar amps and effects can range from the 40's to the 80's and what's to say if this or that is included or not included. Hendrix's rig(s) gives the product a focus. It IS a vintage edition that deals with his list of gear... which happens to be a NICE LIST!!!! There are plenty of people who look for those pedals and amps who don't have a need to sound like Hendrix but simply want what that gear does sound-wise. It'd be beneficial to look at the product that way too. Hendrix tones or no Hendrix if you look at the gear and think "hmmm... I could use a REALLY good wah wah and some fuzz boxes or a Univibe or..." then this product is for you!
I think it is important to also look past the marketing. I was just looking through a magazine and saw an ad that was absolutely lame but it was for a product I actually like a lot. I just rolled my eyes and said "whatever" to myself. Who cares really? Marketing is for luring people in. Once you're in then it's a matter of understanding what the product is really about and if it might be for you. The marketing is irrelevant at that point. It's purpose was to get you thinking about the product in the first place. Even just this thread is doing just that. So, now that you know what it is.... we're putting it up for pre-order on www.esoundz.com this week and you get a free collection of rock loops exclusively when you buy it there.
(plus you support your friendly neighborhood Squids and crew so for that we thank you).
That seems pointless. But, again, icons like Hendrix, Marilyn Monroe, Bogart, Dean... that's just something that happens in our society. People love the association with legendary actors and musicians. But it's not mutually exclusive that if there's something out there that's lame in your opinion in association with someone like that, there can't be something else that's cool and respectful. I see you guys recognize that so it's not that I am taking an opposite side on it but more enforcing that point of view. So, all other licensing business aside, this one seems to make a lot of sense. Yes, it COULD have been called "Vintage Edition" but then again "vintage" in the case of guitar amps and effects can range from the 40's to the 80's and what's to say if this or that is included or not included. Hendrix's rig(s) gives the product a focus. It IS a vintage edition that deals with his list of gear... which happens to be a NICE LIST!!!! There are plenty of people who look for those pedals and amps who don't have a need to sound like Hendrix but simply want what that gear does sound-wise. It'd be beneficial to look at the product that way too. Hendrix tones or no Hendrix if you look at the gear and think "hmmm... I could use a REALLY good wah wah and some fuzz boxes or a Univibe or..." then this product is for you!
I think it is important to also look past the marketing. I was just looking through a magazine and saw an ad that was absolutely lame but it was for a product I actually like a lot. I just rolled my eyes and said "whatever" to myself. Who cares really? Marketing is for luring people in. Once you're in then it's a matter of understanding what the product is really about and if it might be for you. The marketing is irrelevant at that point. It's purpose was to get you thinking about the product in the first place. Even just this thread is doing just that. So, now that you know what it is.... we're putting it up for pre-order on www.esoundz.com this week and you get a free collection of rock loops exclusively when you buy it there.
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- KVRian
- 1118 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
I agree with all that, Squids. I see it as a really nice kit list that goes a good way to fill in some blanks from AT2, as well as a small collection good enough to stand on its own.
However, given what it is - a recreation of Jimi Hendrix's personal rig, the 33k/500pf tone stack mod is of critical importance. I can't imagine this detail went unnoticed by the developers at IK Multimedia during their research, so they must have an answer readily available.
Hendrix swapped the stock 56k resistor and 250pf capacitor with a 33k resistor and 500pf capacitor, giving the amp more treble and bass. The question is whether or not this is implemented in the ATJH model.
As I see it, there is only one option available for IK Multimedia to make ATJH both true to the Hendrix sound and a universal plugin for the discriminating user who just wants it for the superb collection of vintage kit (such as myself). That is to provide selectable models of both the stock and modified EQ modules. If they need to get their hands on an amp with the mod to model the Hendrix modified tone network, then they need look no further than Marshall's own limited edition Hendrix amp.
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM06 ... Stack.html
As a side note, interestingly Marshall keeps referring to the model Hendrix used as a Super 100 Lead, and says its the immediate successor to the JTM45/100, though only the JTM45 and JTM50 are mentioned in other Marshall literature on the history of that era. I suspect it was an unofficial name for the 100W model, which still bore the JTM45 name. I'm not expert enough on vintage amps to be able to sort it all out. Maybe someone who knows more about it can explain. The important changes introduced in later JTM45 models such as the one Hendrix used seem to be present in the ATJH model, namely the KT66 tubes in the power amp.
However, given what it is - a recreation of Jimi Hendrix's personal rig, the 33k/500pf tone stack mod is of critical importance. I can't imagine this detail went unnoticed by the developers at IK Multimedia during their research, so they must have an answer readily available.
Hendrix swapped the stock 56k resistor and 250pf capacitor with a 33k resistor and 500pf capacitor, giving the amp more treble and bass. The question is whether or not this is implemented in the ATJH model.
As I see it, there is only one option available for IK Multimedia to make ATJH both true to the Hendrix sound and a universal plugin for the discriminating user who just wants it for the superb collection of vintage kit (such as myself). That is to provide selectable models of both the stock and modified EQ modules. If they need to get their hands on an amp with the mod to model the Hendrix modified tone network, then they need look no further than Marshall's own limited edition Hendrix amp.
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM06 ... Stack.html
So the tone stack modification has been verified by Marshall and has even been implemented in the Marshall Super 100JH Limited Edition. I'm sure IK Multimedia must already know all of this. I'm just wondering how they dealt with it.Aside from a minor modification to the tone network that Jimi often had implemented, research and discussions with technicians and roadies has revealed that Jimi Hendrix's circa 1966 Super 100 Marshall heads were completely stock. The limited edition Super 100JH head is a meticulous, handwired recreation of such a head, complete with the aforementioned modification to the tone network which adds more treble and bass.
As a side note, interestingly Marshall keeps referring to the model Hendrix used as a Super 100 Lead, and says its the immediate successor to the JTM45/100, though only the JTM45 and JTM50 are mentioned in other Marshall literature on the history of that era. I suspect it was an unofficial name for the 100W model, which still bore the JTM45 name. I'm not expert enough on vintage amps to be able to sort it all out. Maybe someone who knows more about it can explain. The important changes introduced in later JTM45 models such as the one Hendrix used seem to be present in the ATJH model, namely the KT66 tubes in the power amp.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Yes, with the modeled JTM45 the 33k/500pF thing was taken into consideration. In fact, in my curious research I found out that they even referenced visuals on the actual circuit of the original 2 million dollar Hendrix amp itself!
Anyway, they ended up modeling both the regular stock set up and the mod'ed one Hendrix used so that they could also have something for an AmpliTube 2 update as well. From what I know the developers have gone to great lengths to cover every detail. They really care about authenticity. I was just over at the Italian office and there's a really cool amp room that's like a little museum. I took some pictures. I have to upload them. I might add it to our myspace page or something. www.myspace.com/sonicreality I do blogs there about all sorts of music industry stuff and my travels.
Anyway, they ended up modeling both the regular stock set up and the mod'ed one Hendrix used so that they could also have something for an AmpliTube 2 update as well. From what I know the developers have gone to great lengths to cover every detail. They really care about authenticity. I was just over at the Italian office and there's a really cool amp room that's like a little museum. I took some pictures. I have to upload them. I might add it to our myspace page or something. www.myspace.com/sonicreality I do blogs there about all sorts of music industry stuff and my travels.
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- KVRian
- 1118 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
So ATJH only has the modified EQ module, and to get the stock JTM45/100, you've got to buy AT2 and wait for some update in the future?
If that's the case, it's a bit disappointing. They really need to provide both in ATJH to make it well rounded for vintage gear purists. Besides, as Marshall states, Hendrix often implemented it, though with having at least a good half dozen of these heads, it most likely wasn't implemented on all of them. To really get that Hendrix sound, you probably need to daisy-chain several of both.
If that's the case, it's a bit disappointing. They really need to provide both in ATJH to make it well rounded for vintage gear purists. Besides, as Marshall states, Hendrix often implemented it, though with having at least a good half dozen of these heads, it most likely wasn't implemented on all of them. To really get that Hendrix sound, you probably need to daisy-chain several of both.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
No, I meant that the regular unmodified one is good for a potential update to AT2 (whereas the modified one is specific to Hendrix). As far as I know they may have included both in JH if that's part of his sound. I have to see where it would be on the GUI. Remember I am not the developer and I am only going by pieces of info from bothering the developers in between my busy schedule and theirs.
Also, you can daisy chain a bunch of them if you wish.
Also, you can daisy chain a bunch of them if you wish.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2035 posts since 6 Sep, 2005
Good point, although I am pretty sure that if it was for free or for cheap, IKMM would have plastered the names of the manufacturers everywhere on the GUI.redshift factor wrote:It seems a bit odd that a dead guitarist's family is getting money from IK Multimedia for modeling a Marshall amp, while Marshall doesn't even get official acknowledgement.
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- KVRian
- 1118 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
Sure, and yet somehow I don't think plastering the Hendrix name on it was for free or for cheap, either. It's just an interesting choice they made that's worth noting.
Squids, thanks for playing, once again. Sorry if it looks like I'm busting your balls again. Really I'm not meaning to. I hope you can find out a definitive answer on the JTM45 EQ status in ATJH, as well as the high/low input situation. Really I'd rather be playing with it myself right now, but interrogating you is the next best thing to satisfy the anticipation for now...
Squids, thanks for playing, once again. Sorry if it looks like I'm busting your balls again. Really I'm not meaning to. I hope you can find out a definitive answer on the JTM45 EQ status in ATJH, as well as the high/low input situation. Really I'd rather be playing with it myself right now, but interrogating you is the next best thing to satisfy the anticipation for now...
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
At the moment I don't have the time to fully investigate all of those details. In fact, I don't even have enough time to just PLAY with it! 
But, either way, I think you're going to love it. Like you said, even if it had one or two pedals you couldn't be without then it is worth it and I think that very well could be the case. Also, it may just be something you can play sooner than you think! Hmmmmmmm. Just keep checking over at www.amplitube.com and see what happens. You may be surprised.
As for the names of things and the "choices"... one doesn't have unlimited choices of what to do in licensing. Business is often done by circumstance and relationships. There's a six degrees to how the JH edition came to be in terms of this person introduced so and so to this person etc. It all came together as a really interesting idea and one that was challenging and fun for IK! Again, if someone wanted to just make a quick buck off just licensing aspect of it they could have just taken AmpliTube 2, stuck some presets in it and called THAT the Hendrix edition. But, so much better than that is a deep process of modeling the GEAR he used which just so happens to be some of the same gear people collect REGARDLESS of whether it is because of Hendrix or not. It has that double angle in its value plus it really shows a huge respect for the honor of being able to have the official Jimi Hendrix Edition software (as opposed to a drink... I prefer Red Bull myself anyway .
So, in my opinion it's a "hit" before it's a hit if you know what I mean. Its price is really good. Fits right in there (like "the Dude"). Less than AT2 but has a lot of the same functionality... just "vintage flavored".
But, either way, I think you're going to love it. Like you said, even if it had one or two pedals you couldn't be without then it is worth it and I think that very well could be the case. Also, it may just be something you can play sooner than you think! Hmmmmmmm. Just keep checking over at www.amplitube.com and see what happens. You may be surprised. As for the names of things and the "choices"... one doesn't have unlimited choices of what to do in licensing. Business is often done by circumstance and relationships. There's a six degrees to how the JH edition came to be in terms of this person introduced so and so to this person etc. It all came together as a really interesting idea and one that was challenging and fun for IK! Again, if someone wanted to just make a quick buck off just licensing aspect of it they could have just taken AmpliTube 2, stuck some presets in it and called THAT the Hendrix edition. But, so much better than that is a deep process of modeling the GEAR he used which just so happens to be some of the same gear people collect REGARDLESS of whether it is because of Hendrix or not. It has that double angle in its value plus it really shows a huge respect for the honor of being able to have the official Jimi Hendrix Edition software (as opposed to a drink... I prefer Red Bull myself anyway
. So, in my opinion it's a "hit" before it's a hit if you know what I mean. Its price is really good. Fits right in there (like "the Dude"). Less than AT2 but has a lot of the same functionality... just "vintage flavored".
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- KVRian
- 1118 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
If it actually comes out on (re)schedule this time then I will be surprised!Squids wrote:Just keep checking over at www.amplitube.com and see what happens. You may be surprised.
But anyways, yeah, I'm sure I'll love it... though speaking of the website, there's still no audio examples available of ATJH there. I don't understand how anyone can expect a customer to preorder a plugin without even as much as hearing a sound example. Arturia did that with the Jupiter 8V, and I hate to say it, but I feel sorry for anyone who preordered that one blind...
Also I noticed on the ATJH product page, the 'Condenser 12' model says "Based on AKG® C414". From the look of it (and the name... not to mention the fact the C414 was introduced a year after Hendrix's death!), I'd say it's supposed to say "Based on AKG® C 12".