KVR Audio

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:34 pm

JerGoertz wrote:Are camels and drama llamas related, species-wise?

ask the mod from alabama. given everything Ive learned from dr seuss regarding the intersection of rhyme and causality, he's got to be the person who knows.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:35 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
wagtunes wrote:I know enough lawyers to know that with 100% certainty.

Let me put it this way. If I wrote to Camel Audio and asked them why they're closing down, I can almost guarantee that the reply email I get will say "We're sorry but we can't give out any further info."

In fact, I know enough legal loopholes that I could, at the very least, force them to respond with a "no comment".
Go on then. Lets see you prove your osmotically-acquired legals skills...

(I'm hoping they're better than your logic.)

There is no reason to get snippy. In fact, I'm going to write to CA and get my answer.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:36 pm

basslinemaster wrote:
Cuauhtli wrote:Sales of VAZ Synths products have been suspended in order to comply with the change in UK/EU cross-border VAT regulations effective 1st January 2015.

Same thing perhaps?
I really don't understand these developers doing this. Prodyon just stopped selling for the same reason. It really isn't that difficult to sort out, just find a reseller who will take care of the VAT, or update your shopping cart to work it out automatically.

I love it when people use that word to turn 'an issue I dont fully understand' into 'something trivial that must be easy to achieve'.

And for the umpteenth time, no this is not a MOSS isue.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:40 pm

cryophonik wrote: Alright, then I guess everybody can carry on with the baseless speculation.

What do you mean? There has already been a revelation that there have been funny lights over Edinburgh! Surely that is an adequate basis for speculation.

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:40 pm

mysticvibes wrote:Don't some people have it backwards, wasn't that law supposed to make it harder for the bigger companies, exempt under 80k businesses? I don't understand it, but agree we need real info not speculations.

No, nobody is exempt, that's precisely why the new law is so ridiculous and unfair.

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:43 pm

If they are actually shutting down, and not selling their IP to anybody else, would they release a free version of everything they've made, so it isn't lost forever? Or just offer it for sale to somebody else, with or without the source code? It's not as if people don't want to buy Alchemy any more, is it? Or will it be lost forever? (Is it protected by challenge/response? Once their servers go down, you wouldn't be able to install software you'd paid for, which sucks.)

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:46 pm

Luftrum wrote: I don't know anything... it's just my own assumption (or maybe not) it's just that Camel Audio would never leave their business behind like that without quickly passing information on to their customers about the reason. That wouldn't be logical and not how the Camel's do stuff.

Oh yeah, the thread will live on!!!

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:46 pm

jbuonacc wrote:somebody just posted this on the GS forum:

"I just pulled their accounts from Companies House, thinking they might have run into trouble. They had a reasonable amount of cash in the bank, although they were small enough to only have to file abbreviated accounts, which more or less ruled out that theory unless something really bad happened in the past nine months.

However, the SH01 form, which updates the information on who holds the shares was filed with today's date and is not yet available electronically. So, an IP sale seems likely, particularly as the circumstances are very similar to the Apple purchase of Redmatica's IP: so long guys, thanks for all the fish; here are some download links; use them before we switch off the server."

If they were selling their IP, wouldn't it be normal to continue normal sales of their software until the day of the IP sale, then officially announce the sale of the IP on their website, and explain which company would now own their IP, where to go to get support, etc? This is all very strange.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:47 pm

basslinemaster wrote:If they are actually shutting down, and not selling their IP to anybody else, would they release a free version of everything they've made, so it isn't lost forever? Or just offer it for sale to somebody else, with or without the source code? It's not as if people don't want to buy Alchemy any more, is it? Or will it be lost forever?

Nobody here knows.

basslinemaster wrote:(Is it protected by challenge/response? Once their servers go down, you wouldn't be able to install software you'd paid for, which sucks.)

No C/R.
But Mac users might be unable to use it after an OS X upgrade (or two, who knows).

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:48 pm

Luftrum wrote:
cryophonik wrote:
Luftrum wrote:Well... I am not that worried anymore.
I am sure that someone will be in touch soon, possibly today.
Sounds like Luftrum now knows what's up and, if he's not worried, then that's pretty reassuring.
I don't know anything...

The plot thickens again

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:49 pm

The story so far:

About 1 page worth of sadness to see their website offline.

About 34 pages of wild speculation posited as 'fact' or probable circumstance with pretty much zero facts to go on

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:50 pm

robojam wrote:The story so far:

About 1 page worth of sadness to see their website offline.

About 34 pages of wild speculation posited as 'fact' or probable circumstance with pretty much zero facts to go on

Thats just speculation.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:51 pm

Well, I logged into my account and created a support ticket as well as emailed them.

I'll let you know when I get some kind of reply, even if it's just "Sorry, we can't discuss the matter."

Of course they could totally ignore a customer email but that wouldn't be too cool unless of course, like I said, they just don't give a crap anymore.

My gut tells me that the silence will eventually be broken. This isn't just going to go quietly into the night.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:51 pm

robojam wrote:About 34 pages of wild speculation posited as 'fact' or probable circumstance with pretty much zero facts to go on

Wusik seems to be on the go these days, could be that they buy up Camel Audio ?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:52 pm

basslinemaster wrote:
mysticvibes wrote:Don't some people have it backwards, wasn't that law supposed to make it harder for the bigger companies, exempt under 80k businesses? I don't understand it, but agree we need real info not speculations.
No, nobody is exempt, that's precisely why the new law is so ridiculous and unfair.

Well it isn't. Things need to get regulated when the business is international, and countries have different tax laws. But as long as we don't know what happened here, this is pretty irrelevant.

Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]