Ableton Live 11

[liquidsound]

After the MPE announcement with 11, I've taken another look. I left Live when Bitwig came out, but do miss some things. I was giving the demo a go and one thing I just can't come to grips with, coming back from Bitwig, is the fact that whenever you map a macro or any modulation device, like the envelope, it locks the target parameter. That is so incredibly annoying. I'm not sure I could get past that. However with the new macro rack snapshots as well as some other macro devices and things like Kapture, it does seem like there are great tools to reset parameters to saved states, which is something very useful that's missing in Bitwig.

There are Max for Live devices that allow you to map macros to parameters on other tracks right? So you could have a group track with several instrument tracks within it that have parameters mapped to macros on the group track?

If you are willing to purchase a great M4L system look into Modulat.

[Mumdad]

As far as the parameters being locked, you can use modulation envelopes within clips without them being locked I think? Obviously it's not quite the same, but probably good enough in a lot of situations.

[melomood]

The CM review stressed the fact that the copy they had was not the final version so I'm waiting til all the new features are revealed before I start complaining that it's one macro knob short of what would really really reallllly

finally make me happy

[Echoes in the Attic]

As far as the parameters being locked, you can use modulation envelopes within clips without them being locked I think? Obviously it's not quite the same, but probably good enough in a lot of situations.

Clip Envelopes are cool, but unfortunately don't work for modulation that is triggered from note on, like an envelope. And even just for macros, its kind of annoying that when you have macros assigned and are tweaking the instrument or effect, those are locked, so you have to go and adjust a macro, or worse, a range of a macro, to adjust the base parameter value.

[SLiC]

Some new info on the new Spectral Devices (still not in the beta)
https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/spectra ... l-devices/

[DJ Warmonger]

^Some very deep thoughts in this article:

“The problem with the Fourier transform and related technology is that, for a long time, it was an offline process,” says Product Owner Christian Kleine. “You couldn’t use it in real time. Instead, you had to send a signal in, process it, wait, and render it to disk or similar. Real-time processing only became possible because of increased computing power.”

Did they notice it's XXI century already?

[SLiC]

Looking forward to these popping up in he beta, definitely interesting.

[PieBerger]

Looking forward to these popping up in he beta, definitely interesting.

These are in the beta already, I used the Spectral Resonator for a gated FM sound in a track I just handed over to a friend to work on.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Sorry to bring up the modulators again, but I'm confused by why the clip envelopes can be additive (relative to absolute position) but none of the modulators work this way? Is this a Max for Live limitation? Or has nobody made any mod devices that work this way? Or have they? It seems like the obvious way it should work - that is, the modulated position should be indicated by the little blue dot (for sliders) or the blue ring around a knob, as opposed to changing the absolute position of the knob. Do no M4L macros or modulators work in this additive way like clip envelope modulations?

[SLiC]

Looking forward to these popping up in he beta, definitely interesting.

These are in the beta already, I used the Spectral Resonator for a gated FM sound in a track I just handed over to a friend to work on.

Ah yes sorry, I was thinking of the 6 instruments and effects created in collaboration with Dillon Bastan (inspired by nature stuff)

[Rivanni]

^Some very deep thoughts in this article:

“The problem with the Fourier transform and related technology is that, for a long time, it was an offline process,” says Product Owner Christian Kleine. “You couldn’t use it in real time. Instead, you had to send a signal in, process it, wait, and render it to disk or similar. Real-time processing only became possible because of increased computing power.”

Did they notice it's XXI century already?

Did you notice they are talking of the past?

[DJ Warmonger]

They describe FFT as if they were first to ever implement it in real time, which is ridiculous. It's been in hundreds of plugins and tools for two decades now.

Is their "product owner" over 60 or something? What was cutting-edge technology to him might not feel the same to customers which are in age of his grandchildren

[SLiC]

Live can be very slow to adapt tech- I think they are the only DAW that has a browser that doesn't separate plugin instruments and FX!

They were very late adding VST 3 and MPE has only just made the beta - FFT is probably new to them as well

[zoidkirb]

Perhaps their new FFT devices are nothing new under the sun but I'm finding them, along with the new Pitchloop79 thing to be really smooth and musical with plenty of sweet spots everywhere. So useable that the temptation is going to be there for people to constantly over do it!

Ableton may be late to the table with comping too but it's a nice implementation, I prefer it over Cubase's at least.

Similar with MPE. Not owning a device I really was at first disappointed with the big deal made about this new feature. But once I tried editing in some values for Wavetable I was surprised at the fun I was having, and an now looking to a future purchase of MPE hardware.

[OzoneJunkie]

Between comping and being able to use MPE envelopes for pitch glides, they get my money. Everything else is gravy.